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Another thing I wanna mention is garou can spam attacks like he did against dark shine and go into rage mode, if he uses both the water polo and whirlwind fist he gets relentless and doesn't give zoro any time for counters. I vote garou.
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Analytical prediction yes. Someone earlier said he was listed as a precog user, but I don't see that now that I look. He also has enhanced senses, I'm not sure if that means we assign him the same ability the OPM samurai have (to sense enemies and attacks they shouldn't physically be able to detect).I’m assuming your talking about analytical prediction, it’s just a worse version of observation haki.
like?Garou could survive and fight through certain types of damage that would kill Zoro
Like, destroying vital organs or slashing him to death won't work, since, Garou survived it and adaptedlike?
Precog doesnt rlly deny instinctive reaction, unless it have feats, I thinkI didn’t deny that, i just said that precog can deny instinctive reaction and observation haki is just better than analytical prediction.
Right well voting Zoro FRAZoro.
Both are similar enough in terms of skill, and neither combatant has faced against opponents with similar skill sets. Zoro is leagues and bounds above any swordsmen Garou has faced, but hasn't faced any hand to hand fighters like Garou.
Also Zoro's Durability Negation being "Possible" is there to avoid NLF's, he can still utilize it in combat against fleshy foes. His strikes can slash apart foes who are made of steel, a material that's inherently harder to cut than flesh. It doesn't help Garou that Zoro has regeneration negation and in character he attacks the neck and head. (Usually going for decapitation or slashing his foes in half.)
Tatsumaki attacks are also gonna help Zoro out here tremendously as Garou hasn't been shown to deflect wind based attacks, let alone giant twisters of highly composed razer sharp wind slashes.
Getting his heart and lungs crushed, being burned inside and out, getting holes put through his abdomen (and presumably organs if Garou still has mostly human physiology). Maybe Zoro could fight through those, but his endurance feats that I know like severe blood less and pain resistance aren't the same as getting your vitals potentially ruinedlike?
There is no need for feats, having premonitions of the future is just better than relying on instincts no matter how good they are.Precog doesnt rlly deny instinctive reaction, unless it have feats, I think
Being better doesnt means ''Deny'', u used the word ''Deny''There is no need for feats, having premonitions of the future is just better than relying on instincts no matter how good they are.
Well it means in this context... future premonitions are better than instincts so therefore it can deny the ability of someone to dodge using instincts.Being better doesnt means ''Deny'', u used the word ''Deny''
No, it doesnt, ''Deny'' would mean that it would make Garou instinctive reaction not workWell it means in this context... futuresight is better than instincts so therefore it can deny the ability of someone to dodge using instincts.
Pretty sure garou can adapt extremely quickly to fighting styles can can copy techniques by just looking at them so I think he's more skilled.Both are similar enough in terms of skill, and neither combatant has faced against opponents with similar skill sets. Zoro is leagues and bounds above any swordsmen Garou has faced, but hasn't faced any hand to hand fighters like Garou.
Garou's whirlwind fist is air manipulation and literally uses the same principle that the tatsumaki attack does. Garou can also fuse this technique with water polo fist.Tatsumaki attacks are also gonna help Zoro out here tremendously as Garou hasn't been shown to deflect wind based attacks, let alone giant twisters of highly composed razer sharp wind slashes.
And it would not work , how can instincts save you if your opponent knows what you will do before you know yourself?No, it doesnt, ''Deny'' would mean that it would make Garou instinctive reaction not work
Because Zoro knowing the movements doesnt means that Instinctive Reaction doesnt workAnd it would not work , how can instincts save you if your opponent knows what you will do before you know yourself?
Mind explaining to me how garou can change the future?Because Zoro knowing the movements doesnt means that Instinctive Reaction doesnt work
He doesnt, but Zoro being able to precog Garou movements doesnt means that Garou instincts can't avoid the hits, unless you are trying to argue that Zoro has fate haxMind explaining to me how garou can change the future?
YepZoro can only see extremely briefly into the future and instinctive reaction would mean that the body reacts to the threat by itself so what ever zoro attacks with.
and speed will multiply
speed is equalized otherwise Zoro speed blitzes him.outclass Zoro in AP and Speed
You didnt got the point, yes, speed is equalized, but Garou increases his speed, AP and others stats due his Reactive Evolution, so, during the fight itself, Garou is becoming stronger and fasterspeed is equalized otherwise Zoro speed blitzes him.
Yes.I think they mean Garou getting faster and stronger as he fights.
that’s not how it works, the future is set in stone unless you have destiny manipulation or something like that. If Zoro saw the future, even for a brief moment, unless you have the ability to change the future in some way, whatever he throws at you will land.He doesnt, but Zoro being able to precog Garou movements doesnt means that Garou instincts can't avoid the hits, unless you are trying to argue that Zoro has fate hax
this is from the versus page, Garou is the slower character here:You didnt got the point, yes, speed is equalized, but Garou increases his speed, AP and others stats due his Reactive Evolution, so, during the fight itself, Garou is becoming stronger and faster
During a match where speed is equalized, speed amplification techniques are allowed, unless they lead to a victory via Speed Blitz in favor of the slower character.
Nah dude, I mean, I know how the future is set, Zoro indeed can see the future and precog garou movements, but in the moment that he tries to attack Garou, Garou instincts will just avoid the hitthat’s not how it works, the future is set in stone unless you have destiny manipulation or something like that. If Zoro saw the future, even for a brief moment, unless you have the ability to change the future in some way, whatever he throws at you will land.
Yes, Garou is the slower, speed is equalized, but during the fight, Garou increases his speed, I'm not saying that Speed is Unequalized.this is from the versus page, Garou is the slower character here:
"The user, if imperfect with seeing the future, can not predict what will happen if they change their actions to respond to a predicted enemy attack. This also becomes prominent when even an advanced user is against an opponent with comparable or even superior levels of precognition. (Such as when Luffy could dodge Katakuri's attacks early in their fight)"that’s not how it works, the future is set in stone unless you have destiny manipulation or something like that. If Zoro saw the future, even for a brief moment, unless you have the ability to change the future in some way, whatever he throws at you will land.
yes and they're not allowed if they lead to a speed blitz in favour of the slower character.Yes, Garou is the slower, speed is equalized, but during the fight, Garou increases his speed, I'm not saying that Speed is Unequalized.
that is if Zoro were to go against someone who could see the future as well or better then he can,(to prevent futuresight paradoxes) this doesn’t apply to garou."The user, if imperfect with seeing the future, can not predict what will happen if they change their actions to respond to a predicted enemy attack. This also becomes prominent when even an advanced user is against an opponent with comparable or even superior levels of precognition. (Such as when Luffy could dodge Katakuri's attacks early in their fight)"
Zoro is proficient at observation and not advanced so this applies to him.
Its not a speed blitz, its just Garou increasing his speed eventually during the fight, its not something that would make him Blitzyes and they're not allowed if they lead to a speed blitz in favour of the slower character.
Zoro can see the future, he can see Garou movements, but in the moment that he tries to hit Garou, Garou body will just dodge itthat is if Zoro were to go against someone who could see the future as well or better then he can,(to prevent futuresight paradoxes) this doesn’t apply to garou.
Zoro is faster, but speed is equalized, but Garou increases his statistics due his reactive evolution, making him eventually outclassing ZoroWho’s faster, though? Garou got fast enough to blitz Darkshine.
if his speed increases blitz someone then It cannot be allowed.Who’s faster, though? Garou got fast enough to blitz Darkshine.
Its not enough to blitz Zoro, its eventually increasing during the fightif his speed increases blitz someone then It cannot be allowed.
His technique mimicry here is useless, Garou cannot copy Santoryu due to lacking swords to actually utilize it. And again, he's never been shown to adapt to opponents who are on Zoro's level in terms of skill.Pretty sure garou can adapt extremely quickly to fighting styles can can copy techniques by just looking at them so I think he's more skilled.
Not really, Whirlwind Fist pales in comparison to Tatsumaki, Tatsumaki is composed of air sharp gusts of air that can cut cleanly through steel and has much more AoE, and without swords he can't utilize Tatsumaki.Garou's whirlwind fist is air manipulation and literally uses the same principle that the tatsumaki attack does.
Which is irrelevant due to the reasons above.Garou can also fuse this technique with water polo fist.