Zoro vs Oldbeard

[Kachon123]

Location: Mirro-World
Starting Distance: 20 m

Pre-Marineford Whitebeard is being used.
Post-Mink Medicine Zoro is being used.

Zoro: 2 (@Eminiteable, @Eseseso)
Whitebeard:
Inconclusive:

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Following.

 

[Kachon123]

AP

Whitebeard: Sickbeard >= Nearly dead Sickbeard > Blackbeard < Hybrid Sengoku > Base Sengoku ~ Base Garp >= Marco

Zoro: En-Ō > Haō Infusion > Busō > King's Suit > Marco's AP (simple version, but works either way)

 

[Eminiteable]

Zoro wins:

1. He's not sick
2. He can reliably use haki
3. He's faster
4. Probably stronger

 

[Kachon123]

Speed

Whitebeard: Sickbeard ~ Akainu < Kizaru
Zoro: Iai Attacks > King reactions ~ Hybrid Flame off King > Base Flame off King > Base Flame on King ~ Marco ~ Kizaru

 

[Eseseso]

Like Emin said, Zoro is faster, healthy, and can reliably use Hao Infusion.

He is only inferior in AP in base, matches with normal Buso, and has higher AP with everything above that.

Too many AP and speed amps.

He also can boost his durability with buso or even Asura.

IMO Oldbeard would be better than Sickbeard.

 

[Kachon123]

Like Emin said, Zoro is faster, healthy, and can reliably use Hao Infusion.

He is only inferior in AP in base, matches with normal Buso, and has higher AP with everything above that.

Too many AP and speed amps.

He also can boost his durability with buso or even Asura.

IMO Oldbeard would be better than Sickbeard.

Switched

 

[Eminiteable]

Zoro fights oldbeard for a minute and then he becomes sickbeard again, resulting in:

Zoro wins:

1. He's not sick
2. He can reliably use haki
3. He's faster
4. Probably stronger

 

[Eseseso]

Switched

Thanks.

KoH Zoro should be >= Old Beard's AP, since it's Oldbeard + Hao Infusion vs Unleashed Zoro (who's equal to Oden) + Hao Infusion.

Zoro still has speed amps for days, plus dura neg.

He's less durable to some degree but his weaker rooftop key took many on-screen and off-screen yonko hits and kept going, plus he can amp himself greatly with Buso.

I give this to Zoro high-extreme diff.

 

[Kachon123]

LOL

 

[Kachon123]

Switched to Oldbeard instead. New AP

Whitebeard: Oldbeard Haō Infusion > Oldbeard > Marco's AP

Zoro: En-Ō > Haō Infusion > Busō > King's Suit > Marco's AP (simple version, but works either way)

 

[Kachon123]

Switched to Oldbeard instead. New Speed

Whitebeard: Oldbeard ~ Shanks >~ Kid >~ Life-Amped Big Mom > Homies Big Mom ~ Marco

Zoro: Iai Attacks > King reactions ~ Hybrid Flame off King > Base Flame off King > Base Flame on King ~ Marco ~ Kizaru

 

[Eseseso]

Zoro: En-Ō > Haō Infusion > Busō > King's Suit > Marco's AP (simple version, but works either way)

1. Damn, you're getting good at these scaling chains!

2. Was considering mentioning this myself. Since slicing Marco's wing isn't really an AP feat, Buso Zoro scales above Marco for, as you stated, breaking King's suit when Marco's Bluebird couldn't.

 

[Kachon123]

Zoro seems to be faster and have better AP.

Whitebeard has better kenbun usage, higher busō potency,better endurance, and hax in shockwaves.

 

[Eseseso]

Zoro seems to be faster and have better AP.

Whitebeard has better kenbun usage, higher busō potency,better endurance, and hax in shockwaves.

Actually, Zoro has the same levels of Kenbun and Buso as WB.

Rest is fine.

 

[Kachon123]

Actually, Zoro has the same levels of Kenbun and Buso as WB.

Zoro is 5 layers. Whitebeard is 6 layers.

 

[Eseseso]

Zoro is 5 layers. Whitebeard is 6 layers.

Good point.

But they have the same lvl of Kenbun.

 

[Kachon123]

But they have the same lvl of Kenbun.

Sure.

 

[Eminiteable]

Zoro is 5 layers. Whitebeard is 6 layers.

Could probably argue 6-7 layers with Enma juice.

 

[Eseseso]

Could probably argue 6-7 layers with Enma juice.

That's true.

 

[Sus]

who has higher endurance kaido or wb?
kaido endured (again, endured, not tanked) a pissed off oden's attack which is ~ zoro
so if wb is at least relative to young kaido in endurance, i see zoro falling before wb
but wb is absurdly less durable than kaido so idk

 

[Kachon123]

Endurance isn't the strength of the attacks you took while continuing to fight.

It is the amount of damage you can receive while continuing to fight.

If a normal person got all of their bones broken by a 9-B character, but could still fight and a 6-A person got a cut from another 6-A character and could keep going, the guy with the broken bones had a much more impressive endurance feat, as broken bones hurt much more than a cut.

 

[Sus]

Endurance isn't the strength of the attacks you took while continuing to fight.

It is the amount of damage you can receive while continuing to fight.

If a normal person got all of their bones broken by a 9-B character, but could still fight and a 6-A person got a cut from another 6-A character and could keep going, the guy with the broken bones had a much more impressive endurance feat, as broken bones hurt much more than a cut.

i know what endurance is

 

[Kachon123]

Then whats the point of bringing up the strength of Oden's attack

 

[Sus]

Then whats the point of bringing up the strength of Oden's attack

im checking if wb can or cannot endure zoro's enma
as a young kaido could
but i already noted wb having less durability so the attack will do more damage anyway

 

[Eminiteable]

Kaidou has more endurance than Whitebeard via his highest vitality statement & WSS shit.

 

[Sus]

man that old man sucks balls

 

[Kachon123]

WSS

WSC*

 

[Sus]

kaido is the world's strongest swordsman fra

 

[Sus]

isnt the only differnce between old and prime whitebeard his stats? i dont see why being a bit weaker makes whitebeard lose

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[Da3ggman]

Zoro FRA

 

[Sus]

i vote whitebeard for his insane endurance and stamina he can outlast zoro if not beat him

 

[TauanVictor]

WB FRA

 

[KochengPutih]

Wait, whitebeard's endurance cant take Enma?

 

[Eseseso]

Zoro with partially unleashed Enma scared Kaido and Big Mom, and his fully unleashed Enma = Oden's Enma since Zoro literally said they were emittting the same level of power/haki, and that level of Enma was a threat to Zoan Kaido himself.

Yes, using Enma too long will kill him, but he can use his speed advantage + his Hao Infusion to inflict MASSIVE damage on Oldbeard.

 

[Sus]

Wait, whitebeard's endurance cant take Enma?

whitebeard can endure it even if it sliced his vitals

the problem is, whitebeard aint kaido, if kaido was scarred, god knows what will happen to whitebeard if he takes enma slashes

Zoro with partially unleashed Enma scared Kaido and Big Mom, and his fully unleashed Enma = Oden's Enma since Zoro literally said they were emittting the same level of power/haki, and that level of Enma was a threat to Zoan Kaido himself.

Yes, using Enma too long will kill him, but he can use his speed advantage + his Hao Infusion to inflict MASSIVE damage on Oldbeard.

what speed advantage ? this is old beard, he is far faster than his marineford self and can use kenbun

also if both fall its a draw

so i vote whitebeard if he can dodge or survive enma, draw otherwise

 

[Sus]

also since linlin and kaido wouldnt know about zoro's mastery over enma, and they were scared because its oden's sword
its a feat for oden and current zoro, not pre med zoro

 

[Eseseso]

also since linlin and kaido wouldnt know about zoro's mastery over enma, and they were scared because its oden's sword
its a feat for oden and current zoro, not pre med zoro

We're using Post-Med Zoro though.

And BM sensed the power pre-med Zoro had with Enma, as did Kaido (which is why he dodged it).

And pre-med Enma Zoro still cut through Kaido's scales, which are far tougher than Oldbeard's durability.

Oldbeard's AP/durability =< Base Kaido's AP < Zoan Kaido's physical AP < Zoan Kaido's Kaifu < Zoan Kaido's durability.

 

[Sus]

We're using Post-Med Zoro though.

i know

And BM sensed the power pre-med Zoro had with Enma, as did Kaido (which is why he dodged it).

And pre-med Enma Zoro still cut through Kaido's scales, which are far tougher than Oldbeard's durability.

fair

Zoan Kaido's physical AP < Zoan Kaido's Kaifu

had to sneak in this shit huh?