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Probably not. At least not if he leaves us waiting for months.Is Ultima still needed for this thread?
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Probably not. At least not if he leaves us waiting for months.Is Ultima still needed for this thread?
I think the Tier 0 stuff works, but the OP's listed chart isn't correct and would need to be updated.So have you all reached roughly the same conclusions here then? Or are there remaining disagreements?
What would you want it to look like?I think the Tier 0 stuff works, but the OP's listed chart isn't correct and would need to be updated.
You're not getting High 1-A until the multiverse or Tapestry and you're not getting 0 until somewhere in the Umbra.What would you want it to look like?
The Universe: 1-A+You're not getting High 1-A until the multiverse or Tapestry and you're not getting 0 until somewhere in the Umbra.
BasicallySo that's what you are suggesting?
To be fair, like I said before, I’m pretty sure the multiverse would be High 1-A, not the Tapestry, since pretty much the Tapestry is meant to represent ALL of physical reality itself. Even if we go with 1-A+ for universes it won’t debunk Udl’s claim of Tapestry being Tier 0. Regardless if the universe is High 1-A or 1-A the result is still the same.You're not getting High 1-A until the multiverse or Tapestry and you're not getting 0 until somewhere in the Umbra.
I'm not seeing it being more than High 1-A.Even if we go with 1-A+ for universes it won’t debunk Udl’s claim of Tapestry being Tier 0.
@DontTalkDT?The Universe: 1-A+
The Multiverse: 1-A+
The Tapestry: High 1-A
The Low Umbra: High 1-A
The High Umbra: 0
The Horizon: 0
The Dreaming: 0
The Tellurian: 0
The Void: 0
Alder Bole, the World Tree: 0
The Supernal: 0
So that's what you are suggesting?
@DontTalkDTThe Universe: 1-A+
The Multiverse: 1-A+
The Tapestry: High 1-A
The Low Umbra: High 1-A
The High Umbra: 0
The Horizon: 0
The Dreaming: 0
The Tellurian: 0
The Void: 0
Alder Bole, the World Tree: 0
The Supernal: 0
So that's what you are suggesting?
The Universe: 1-A+
The Multiverse: 1-A+
The Tapestry: High 1-A
The Low Umbra: High 1-A
The High Umbra: 0
The Horizon: 0
The Dreaming: 0
The Tellurian: 0
The Void: 0
Alder Bole, the World Tree: 0
The Supernal: 0
So that's what you are suggesting?
How exactly?I'm not seeing it being more than High 1-A.
Best to ask on the wod discussion threadWhat is the weakest being in wod that can destroy all the verse?
We need opinions on thisThe Universe: 1-A+
The Multiverse: 1-A+
The Tapestry: High 1-A
The Low Umbra: High 1-A
The High Umbra: 0
The Horizon: 0
The Dreaming: 0
The Tellurian: 0
The Void: 0
Alder Bole, the World Tree: 0
The Supernal: 0
So that's what you are suggesting?
It would be:What do you think? @Udlmaster
i like this oneIt would be:
The Universe: 1-A+
The Multiverse: High 1-A
The Tapestry: 0
The Low Umbra: 0
The High Umbra: 0
The Horizon: 0
The Dreaming: 0
The Tellurian: 0
The Void: 0
Alder Bole, the World Tree: 0
The Supernal: 0
Is this also the model that @DontTalkDT agreed on?It would be:
The Universe: 1-A+
The Multiverse: High 1-A
The Tapestry: 0
The Low Umbra: 0
The High Umbra: 0
The Horizon: 0
The Dreaming: 0
The Tellurian: 0
The Void: 0
Alder Bole, the World Tree: 0
The Supernal: 0
eliza, quaw ,Which staff members here have agreed or disagreed with DontTalk's suggested tiering?
Which staff members here have agreed or disagreed with DontTalk's suggested tiering?
And counting DontTalk (I'm probably guessing he agrees with his own tiering), that counts for 3 staff, which should be enough to start applying said changeseliza, quaw ,
And counting DontTalk (I'm probably guessing he agrees with his own tiering), that counts for 3 staff, which should be enough to start applying said changes
Qawsedf234 disagreed with tepestry being tier 0, so idkHowever, I asked which staff members that agreed and which that disagreed, or did all of them agree?
If Elizhaa and Qawsedf234 agreed with DontTalkDT's suggestions, they can be applied now, yes.
However, I asked which staff members that agreed and which that disagreed, or did all of them agree?
@Qawsedf234Qawsedf234 disagreed with tepestry being tier 0, so idk
I don't really agree with Udl's scaling. I'm not seeing Tier 0 until the Umbra, otherwise nothing else has really changed.What, if anything, do you want to modify in DontTalk's suggestions?
Definitely, this thread has been dying for a bit so we should wrap it up before the thread actually diesOkay. Should we call for DontTalk so you can discuss the issue with him?
It's because there's multiple infinite amounts of universes within the Multiverse, as there's an infinite amount of close/similar universes and then there's an infinite amount of radically different universes.I don't really agree with Udl's scaling. I'm not seeing Tier 0 until the Umbra, otherwise nothing else has really changed.
Which isn't a Tier 0 justification.because there's multiple infinite amounts of universes within the Multiverse
Wrong, main problem is we already have a 1-A+ universe (Which you agreed to) that’s already infinitely smaller than the multiverse, which already has infinite 1-A+ structures along with others stacked on top of it. That already gives the multiverse its High 1-A rating. Since you already got infinite along and an infinite stack of 1-A+ universes. Then we have the Tapestry which transcends the multiverse, since it’s all of physical reality itself.Which isn't a Tier 0 justification.
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Transcending a High 1-A isn't a Tier 0 showing. High 1-A is 1-A and 1-A+ combined into a singular tier. Being bigger is just being High 1-A.Then we have the Tapestry which transcends the multiverse, since it’s all of physical reality itself.
Let’s go over your reasoning.
Yes normally, but not in this case. Tapestry is meant to completely exceed the multiverse. The Tapestry contains everything from the physical reality, despite how massive the multiverse is.Transcending a High 1-A isn't a Tier 0 showing. High 1-A is 1-A and 1-A+ combined into a singular tier. Being bigger is just being High 1-A.
What you described and what I'm reading on the cosmology blog: That's not a Tier 0 showing. Simply being bigger or even containing every possible version of a Large Cardinal is not a Tier 0 showing.Tapestry is meant to completely exceed the multiverse. The Tapestry contains everything from the physical reality, despite how massive the multiverse is.
Except it is like I said in the cosmology blog and from what Udl provided it’s clear it’s Tier 0. Multiverse already exceeds the logic of 1-A+, which you already agreed to. The Tapestry would do the same with the multiverse since it’s meant to contain all of the physical reality. Saying the multiverse should exceed 1-A+ universes, but the Tapestry not completely exceeding the multiverse doesn’t make sense to me.What you described and what I'm reading on the cosmology blog: That's not a Tier 0 showing. Simply being bigger or even containing every possible version of a Large Cardinal is not a Tier 0 showing.
I can see that but I don’t think your reasonings debunk the Tier 0 scaling of the Tapestry.The Umbra I can see as being Tier 0, but I'm not seeing anything below it as Tier 0. Just varying degrees of High 1-A.
I'm not seeing it at all. Even being transcendent in a fashion where its a backdrop is just High 1-A.Except it is like I said in the cosmology blog and from what Udl provided it’s clear it’s Tier 0.
Because you're mentally treating it as steps. As in 1-A+ -> High 1-A -> 0doesn’t make sense to me.
Is this similar to Extended Modal Realism?It's because there's multiple infinite amounts of universes within the Multiverse, as there's an infinite amount of close/similar universes and then there's an infinite amount of radically different universes.
It's also because it's the edge of Imagination, it contains all of imagination and these constructions and once you go beyond, you reach the end of comprehension and into the Umbra.I'm not seeing it at all. Even being transcendent in a fashion where its a backdrop is just High 1-A.
Because you're mentally treating it as steps. As in 1-A+ -> High 1-A -> 0
It's not like that. Its 1-A+ -> High 1-A -> Higher High 1-A -> 0
Even containing an Aleph number of ever larger Large Cardinal sets would still be High 1-A and not Tier 0.