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Probably not. At least not if he leaves us waiting for months.
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World of Darkness: Cosmology 1.5 TM/INC/LLC/CR
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I think the Tier 0 stuff works, but the OP's listed chart isn't correct and would need to be updated.
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What would you want it to look like?
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You're not getting High 1-A until the multiverse or Tapestry and you're not getting 0 until somewhere in the Umbra.
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The Universe: 1-A+
The Multiverse: 1-A+
The Tapestry: High 1-A
The Low Umbra: High 1-A
The High Umbra: 0
The Horizon: 0
The Dreaming: 0
The Tellurian: 0
The Void: 0
Alder Bole, the World Tree: 0
The Supernal: 0
So that's what you are suggesting?
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Basically
Dinoanime7
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To be fair, like I said before, I’m pretty sure the multiverse would be High 1-A, not the Tapestry, since pretty much the Tapestry is meant to represent ALL of physical reality itself. Even if we go with 1-A+ for universes it won’t debunk Udl’s claim of Tapestry being Tier 0. Regardless if the universe is High 1-A or 1-A the result is still the same.
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I'm not seeing it being more than High 1-A.
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What do you think? @Udlmaster
Dinoanime7
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How exactly?
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What is the weakest being in wod that can destroy all the verse?
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Best to ask on the wod discussion thread
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We need opinions on this
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i like this one
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Is this also the model that @DontTalkDT agreed on?
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eliza, quaw ,
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And counting DontTalk (I'm probably guessing he agrees with his own tiering), that counts for 3 staff, which should be enough to start applying said changes
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Qawsedf234 disagreed with tepestry being tier 0, so idk
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I don't really agree with Udl's scaling. I'm not seeing Tier 0 until the Umbra, otherwise nothing else has really changed.
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Definitely, this thread has been dying for a bit so we should wrap it up before the thread actually dies
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Which isn't a Tier 0 justification.
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Wrong, main problem is we already have a 1-A+ universe (Which you agreed to) that’s already infinitely smaller than the multiverse, which already has infinite 1-A+ structures along with others stacked on top of it. That already gives the multiverse its High 1-A rating. Since you already got infinite along and an infinite stack of 1-A+ universes. Then we have the Tapestry which transcends the multiverse, since it’s all of physical reality itself.
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No
Transcending a High 1-A isn't a Tier 0 showing. High 1-A is 1-A and 1-A+ combined into a singular tier. Being bigger is just being High 1-A.
Dinoanime7
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Let’s go over your reasoning.
Yes normally, but not in this case. Tapestry is meant to completely exceed the multiverse. The Tapestry contains everything from the physical reality, despite how massive the multiverse is.
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What you described and what I'm reading on the cosmology blog: That's not a Tier 0 showing. Simply being bigger or even containing every possible version of a Large Cardinal is not a Tier 0 showing.
The Umbra I can see as being Tier 0, but I'm not seeing anything below it as Tier 0. Just varying degrees of High 1-A.
Dinoanime7
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Except it is like I said in the cosmology blog and from what Udl provided it’s clear it’s Tier 0. Multiverse already exceeds the logic of 1-A+, which you already agreed to. The Tapestry would do the same with the multiverse since it’s meant to contain all of the physical reality. Saying the multiverse should exceed 1-A+ universes, but the Tapestry not completely exceeding the multiverse doesn’t make sense to me.
I can see that but I don’t think your reasonings debunk the Tier 0 scaling of the Tapestry.
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I'm not seeing it at all. Even being transcendent in a fashion where its a backdrop is just High 1-A.
Because you're mentally treating it as steps. As in 1-A+ -> High 1-A -> 0
It's not like that. Its 1-A+ -> High 1-A -> Higher High 1-A -> 0
Even containing an Aleph number of ever larger Large Cardinal sets would still be High 1-A and not Tier 0.
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Is this similar to Extended Modal Realism?
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It's also because it's the edge of Imagination, it contains all of imagination and these constructions and once you go beyond, you reach the end of comprehension and into the Umbra.
This is a similar reasoning used for 0 WoD before, except it was the Far Umbra, which is the end of imagination and conception.
In essence, it's just moving the tiers around
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