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They're going to 0 anywaySo... would it be a problem if Characters like Bondye's first key, Archmages and YHWH get tier 0 upgrade right away? And just separate I AM THAT I AM from jahovah's profile? Like even if universes stay at 1-A+ their tier dosen't change at all.
That's my whole point, yes. Are we going to upgrade the pages now or later it dosen't matter.They're going to 0 anyway
You can't change profiles without the CRT going through, not really a matter of sooner or later.That's my whole point, yes. Are we going to upgrade the pages now or later it dosen't matter.
The revision has already been accepted. We are just waiting for ultima, which already agreed with tier 0 wod.You can't change profiles without the CRT going through, not really a matter of sooner or later.
It hasn’t yet, like I said if it was accepted this thread would be closed.The revision has already been accepted. We are just waiting for ultima, which already agreed with tier 0 wod.
Ant said what don't talk accepted can be added.It hasn’t yet, like I said if it was accepted this thread would be closed.
Wym?Ant said what don't talk accepted can be added.
I am just saying that it dosen't matter if the universe is 1-A+ or high 1-A. The characters that are getting upgraded are either way tier 0.Wym?
what waiting does to a mfThe revision has already been accepted. We are just waiting for ultima, which already agreed with tier 0 wod.
Like at least inaccessible layers into Tier 0how many layers above baseline tier 0 is wod again. I forgot
seems vague to me.Like at least inaccessible layers into Tier 0
It's what I said originallyWould any of you be willing to help evaluate if DontTalk's arguments here make sense to you please?
“Tellurian” essentially means everything. It’s Reality with a capital R – everything that has been imagined, can be imagined, or has yet to be imagined. It’s a word for something that transcends words… an ineffable name of God, if you will. Why would the names of God or Infinity be unspeakable? The reason many religions forbid speaking the names of their God is because those religions consider Divinity to be beyond definition; to name it is to limit it… and thus, to insult it. Giving Divinity a name is to literally profane it – “to put yourself before the temple”, or to place yourself above Divinity. And so, if you think of Infinity in Divine terms, the name Tellurian, or “little earth,” offers an affectionate metaphor in place of that unspeakable name. In academic terms, a tellurian is a model that demonstrates how the world works; following the ancient principle of macrocosm and microcosm, or “As above, so below,” a tellurian reveals how the world works by offering a “small” demonstration. And although many mages in our era remain agnostic or atheistic, the mages who put the cosmic Tellurian metaphor in place were men and women of faith, so that metaphor was important… especially when they were trying to bridge faiths without insulting anyone’s ideas about God. Tellurian is another way of saying Infinity, God, or Possibility. It’s potential that cannot be grasped except through metaphor. So when you say “the Tellurian,” you’re literally saying “Everything.” |
Despite that the Umbra is still an inaccessibly higher realmInfinity is too big to wrap your head around. Like God, it needs a face. The Tapestry is that face – a metaphor for that which exists. Whereas the Tellurian is potential, the Tapestry is form. All woven together like some artistic curtain, the strands of interconnected existence create a shimmering whole.
Anything's possible.
The Infinite Tapestry of creation encompasses everything – all that is, all that was, and all that can be imagined. For a frame of reference, mages place the Earth at the center of all creation, if only to understand the mysteries around it. Call this reality the physical world, if you like, or the real world, if you eschew all alternatives. We call it Earth. Mages are human, first and foremost, and thus, they live and die in this world, the sphere inhabited by ordinary humans. When referring to the Tapestry, most rely on the same terms, ideas, and frames of reference they used before the Reckoning. Whether all these ideas hold true remains to be seen. Their planet is no longer the center of creation, and once safe Realms now deceive and destroy the unwary.
Above, below, and around — these are the cardinal directions for places that don't exist. All around us is a spirit world we cannot see, a reflection of the physical world. Everything in our world casts a "shadow" of sorts into that dimension; thus, mages often use the Latin word for shadow – the Umbra – to describe it. Ephemeral spirits inhabit a realm where nearly everything is alive. Its closest dimension, the Penumbra, mirrors our own. For almost every building and person existing in our world, something forged from ephemeral spirits exists in the Penumbra to represent it.
In ages past, mages found it easier to enter the Penumbra than any other alternate dimensions. Learned Verbena speak of the Paths of Wyck that once stretched through it to other parts of the planet, forming roads between continents. These were some of the first pathways used to navigate spiritual wilderness. The few trods, airts, and passageways that remain are crafted by spirits, and guarded by them as well. Older willworkers learned to pass through the Penumbra on their way to other dimensions, places above, below, and around it. These three Umbrae — High, Low and Middle collectively form the Near Umbra; the boundaries of all three extend to the limits of Earth's atmosphere.
I mean if Set theory doesn't normally contain large cardinal, the upper tier for the universe is at best 1-A+ as DontTalk stated. I guess the tiers would be similar to what is above.So it'll be like this:
The universe: 1-A+
The multiverse high 1-A
The Tapestry: 0
The Low Umbra: 0
The High Umbra: 0
The Horizon: 0
The Tellurian: 0
The Void: 0
Alder Bole, the World Tree: 0
The Supernal: 0
Set theory does not cover Large Cardinals. Which is why the universe would be 1-A+. But as mentioned Thins like the Umbra and higher levels of existence would still qualify for High 1-A and 0 due to their nature of transcendence. It just wouldn't be to the degree the OP has it at.I mean if Set theory doesn't normally contain large cardinal,
"inaccesible cardinal". its a numberi wish there was a number instead so i know exactly how many
So It’s the second most powerful series on this wiki then. Bigger than woodin cardinals"inaccesible cardinal". its a number
Woodin cardinals are much much bigger than an inaccessible cardinalSo It’s the second most powerful series on this wiki then. Bigger than woodin cardinals
Then we haven’t gotten Berkeley cardinals on this website yetWoodin cardinals are much much bigger than an inaccessible cardinal
Yep, there are no verses as of yet that scale to Reinhardt or Berkeley cardinalsThen we haven’t gotten Berkeley cardinals on this website yet
If we do we should have a toast and party because that’s the highest thing possibleYep, there are no verses as of yet that scale to Reinhardt or Berkeley cardinals
0=1 property.If we do we should have a toast and party because that’s the highest thing possible
currently which cardinal are we on?
Considering that @Qawsedf234 has now replied, how many more staff votes do we need to approve?@Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @KingPin0422 @Pain_to12 @Everything12 @Planck69 @ByAsura @SomebodyData @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Damage3245 @Abstractions @GyroNutz @DarkGrath @Firestorm808 @Duedate8898 @UchihaSlayer96 @Maverick_Zero_X
Would any of you be willing to help evaluate if DontTalk's arguments here make sense to you please?
Yep, that is the currently agreed modelSet theory does not cover Large Cardinals. Which is why the universe would be 1-A+. But as mentioned Thins like the Umbra and higher levels of existence would still qualify for High 1-A and 0 due to their nature of transcendence. It just wouldn't be to the degree the OP has it at.
It's what I said originally
“Tellurian” essentially means everything. It’s Reality with a capital R – everything that has been imagined, can be imagined, or has yet to be imagined. It’s a word for something that transcends words… an ineffable name of God, if you will.
Why would the names of God or Infinity be unspeakable?
The reason many religions forbid speaking the names of their God is because those religions consider Divinity to be beyond definition; to name it is to limit it… and thus, to insult it. Giving Divinity a name is to literally profane it – “to put yourself before the temple”, or to place yourself above Divinity. And so, if you think of Infinity in Divine terms, the name Tellurian, or “little earth,” offers an affectionate metaphor in place of that unspeakable name.
In academic terms, a tellurian is a model that demonstrates how the world works; following the ancient principle of macrocosm and microcosm, or “As above, so below,” a tellurian reveals how the world works by offering a “small” demonstration.
And although many mages in our era remain agnostic or atheistic, the mages who put the cosmic Tellurian metaphor in place were men and women of faith, so that metaphor was important… especially when they were trying to bridge faiths without insulting anyone’s ideas about God.
Tellurian is another way of saying Infinity, God, or Possibility. It’s potential that cannot be grasped except through metaphor.
So when you say “the Tellurian,” you’re literally saying “Everything.”
Despite that the Umbra is still an inaccessibly higher realm
Once you hit the Umbra you're getting into High 1-A territory and once you get to the Horizon or Tellurian its going to be Tier 0
I thin tiers are fine, then.Set theory does not cover Large Cardinals. Which is why the universe would be 1-A+. But as mentioned Thins like the Umbra and higher levels of existence would still qualify for High 1-A and 0 due to their nature of transcendence. It just wouldn't be to the degree the OP has it at.
@AntvasimaDo we have enough staff approval yet?
I thought that SRE was the highest you could possibly get and that it encompasses all of math?Yep, there are no verses as of yet that scale to Reinhardt or Berkeley cardinals
Idk much about sreI thought that SRE was the highest you could possibly get and that it encompasses all of math?
I would disagree here. If the universe is 1-A+, that would pretty much still get Umbra to Tier 0, since you’re forgetting the structures that are higher like the multiverse and Tapestry, all of which are below the Umbral realms. If we go by that we would have High 1-A multiverse and pretty much Tier 0 Tapestry since it’s meant to contain all of the physical reality itself. Udl explained their scaling earlier.Set theory does not cover Large Cardinals. Which is why the universe would be 1-A+. But as mentioned Thins like the Umbra and higher levels of existence would still qualify for High 1-A and 0 due to their nature of transcendence. It just wouldn't be to the degree the OP has it at.
I think he wasn’t very specific; the scaling should go the way you saidI would disagree here. If the universe is 1-A+, that would pretty much still get Umbra to Tier 0, since you’re forgetting the structures that are higher like the multiverse and Tapestry, all of which are below the Umbral realms. If we go by that we would have High 1-A multiverse and pretty much Tier 0 Tapestry since it’s meant to contain all of the physical reality itself. Udl explained their scaling earlier.
Oh I seeI think he wasn’t very specific; the scaling should go the way you said