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Funnily enough, no one gave any counterarguments to the OP even though we're probably almost an entire page in.
We're all trolls
If you check very carefully, you might notice that he gave absolutely no argument as to why it would be High 1-B.Im fine with High 1-B tho. Also this needs to be put into the 1-A thread made by Ultima
yea "dimensional spaces" aint gonna cut it. They just parallel universes. I didnt noticeIf you check very carefully, you might notice that he gave absolutely no argument as to why it would be High 1-B.
You want le funny joke?yea "dimensional spaces" aint gonna cut it. They just parallel universes. I didnt notice
Official translation : They would attempt to jump out of the dimensional space occupied by their opponent and destroy it from the outside.
Japanese Raw : 相手のいる宇宙を内包する多元宇宙の外へと移動し、そこからその宇宙を攻撃する。
MTL Translation : It moves outside the multiverse that contains the universe in which the opponent is located and attacks that universe from there.
You want le funny joke?
The "dimensional space" here is mistranslated, it's actually "multiverse".
Yes they can, and they're beyond it. Mitsuki is one of the exceptions in the Ultimate Ensemble World, and when he was in Celestial foundation (Sea), Mitsuki's charm ability affected UEG, Luu and Alexia, "the greatest intelligent female life forms in the Ultimate Ensemble World" and those people were fighting eternity to make Mitsuki theirs.Can high tiers such as UEG or Mitsuki affect “The Space”?
Even if this were R>F, it would still be disqualified as you have said "Life forms can't perceive and transcend to higher worlds if they don't have enough power". This is a major disqualification if u do not provide reasoning as to why they can surpass them with their own power.
No, each layer of Higher level universes have parallel worlds, dimensional space and different laws.yea "dimensional spaces" aint gonna cut it. They just parallel universes. I didnt notice
I gave my reason why it's H1-B, it's literally in the thread.If you check very carefully, you might notice that he gave absolutely no argument as to why it would be High 1-B.
You literally gave no reason as to why it would "transcend each other infinitely", you know nothing on how the tier works and put random rating as if it make sense.I gave my reason why it's H1-B, it's literally in the thread.
Wank,wank, wank you say?You literally gave no reason as to why it would "transcend each other infinitely", you know nothing on how the tier works and put random rating as if it make sense.
Also it's funny you don't even correct yourself when you saw that "dimension space" is a mistranslation.
Official translation : They would attempt to jump out of the dimensional space occupied by their opponent and destroy it from the outside.You literally gave no reason as to why it would "transcend each other infinitely", you know nothing on how the tier works and put random rating as if it make sense.
Also it's funny you don't even correct yourself when you saw that "dimension space" is a mistranslation.
The term used means multiverse. Though “dimensional space” doesn’t actually mean anything.Official translation : They would attempt to jump out of the dimensional space occupied by their opponent and destroy it from the outside.
Japanese Raw : 相手のいる宇宙を内包する多元宇宙の外へと移動し、そこからその宇宙を攻撃する。
MTL Translation : It moves outside the multiverse that contains the universe in which the opponent is located and attacks that universe from there.
1. Are you really saying that MTL Translation is better than Official English translation?
2. High Hyperverse level
Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy infinite-dimensional space.
This is my reason why I said that Higher level universes have infinte dimensional space.
How do we know that higher universes transcend each other infinitely?
- The fight with UEG and Touichirou, there was "no end to the cycle" of transcending and destroying higher universes.
Similar words to "no end to the cycle" are "infinte" and "endless."
Even if we use the term multiverse.The term used means multiverse. Though “dimensional space” doesn’t actually mean anything.
Instant Death Fans when the Self-Insert OP Harem MC gets oneshotted by TOAA and the Presence in a battle and writing (He is never getting past 1-B and his entire character is powersclaing)
Absolutely. There are numerous problems with the official translation.1. Are you really saying that MTL Translation is better than Official English translation?
Absolutely nothing in the paragraph you wrote proves High 1-B.2. High Hyperverse level
Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy infinite-dimensional space.
This is my reason why I said that Higher level universes have infinte dimensional space.
How do we know that higher universes transcend each other infinitely?
- The fight with UEG and Touichirou, there was "no end to the cycle" of transcending and destroying higher universes.
Similar words to "no end to the cycle" are "infinte" and "endless."
Proves nothing."As they did, their opponent would jump to an even higher level universe and attempt the same thing."
Yes they can, and they're beyond it. Mitsuki is one of the exceptions in the Ultimate Ensemble World, and when he was in Celestial foundation (Sea), Mitsuki's charm ability affected UEG, Luu and Alexia, "the greatest intelligent female life forms in the Ultimate Ensemble World" and those people were fighting eternity to make Mitsuki theirs.
It didn't work on Ultimate God, because the ability only work on female gods, and we can say that Ultimate God is a male god.
Bro no this is wronga non 1-A character cannot affect 1-A cosmology.
without good reasoningBro no this is wrong
A non 1-A character affecting a 1-A cosmology is called a smurf
An ID character affecting a 1-A cosmology is called a delusion.A non 1-A character affecting a 1-A cosmology is called a smurf
NoLet’s delete this verse
1 - "dimensional space" is a wrong translation, as explained here.The Higher level universes is superior to the Sea, all those universes have different fundamental laws, their own dimensional space, and they transcend each other infinitely.
No only does this doesn't prove there are infinite universes, but nothing remotely gives High 1-B, again, please do learn the tiering system and how dimensional scaling work.How do we know that higher universes transcend each other infinitely?
- The fight with UEG and Touichirou, there was "no end to the cycle" of transcending and destroying higher universes.
Similar words to "no end to the cycle" are "infinte" and "endless."
So Higher level universes would be H1-B.
That "Space" doesn't exist. If you make the effort of reading the paragraph, you should see it's talking about the current worldview.In Volume 14, The space was brought up when Fujitaka was explaining how big the ID cosmology is.
Nope. It just doesn't exist.This space is above and superior to higher level universes.
No scan + false.Anybody in this place would see Higher level universes and the other lower places (Sea & Heavenly Records) as fiction,
No scan + false.Because in Instant Death, Life forms can't perceive and transcend to higher worlds if they don't have enough power, and Life forms in higher worlds would see lower worlds as fiction.
This would put The Space at Baseline 1-A.
Technically correct since it's the sum of everything that exist, but still false regarding the tiering.Ultimate Ensemble World is a place that is beyond The Space, and "apparently" is the structure of the Instant Death cosmology.
(1 layer into 1-A)
He literally state in the scan you sent that he can't be sure there aren't worlds he can't sense or perceive. Those worlds as still within the UEW btw.in Volume 15, Ultimate God turned a blind eye saying that there are no other worlds outside the Ultimate Ensemble World.
Nope. You still don't understand what "infinite dimensional" mean, again, I invite you to understand how our tiering work. Also, that's not how you get 1-A+.So the theory gods believe in, where infinte space-time dimensional in the Ultimate Ensemble, it would make Ultimate Ensemble World 1-A+.
Nice antifeat for any 1-A.In Instant Death, Life forms can't perceive and transcend to higher worlds if they don't have enough power.
No, this mid is not a harem MC; he just has girls around, which of course we true harem ones don't consider a harem. Mid that is called the end of all things, which of course mid fails at, has no harem ending.Instant Death Fans when the Self-Insert OP Harem MC gets oneshotted by TOAA and the Presence in a battle and writing (He is never getting past 1-B and his entire character is powersclaing)
He has never only has a mid girlfriendwhen was yogiri a harem MC though
You're the one that isn't making any effort reading and analyzing the paragraph.That "Space" doesn't exist. If you make the effort of reading the paragraph, you should see it's talking about the current worldview.
There are worlds (Celestial Foundation), the space outside of them (The Sea) and something even beyond that (Higher Universe that encompass the Sea).
Mitsuki was already superior to UEG before he got power from 3 Goddesses. He's an exception a rare life form, this is why his charm ability work on them.Then I strongly Disagree, like i said in multiples CRT before, UEG and Mitsuki are subject to quantitative differences, and a non 1-A character cannot affect 1-A cosmology. So because of that, the "Space" and the Ultimate Ensemble World cannot be 1-A.
- The first higher level universe Touichirou and UEG went to have parallel worlds in it and different lawsNo only does this doesn't prove there are infinite universes, but nothing remotely gives High 1-B, again, please do learn the tiering system and how dimensional scaling work.
I already explained that they're other worlds outside the Ultimate Ensemble World.He literally state in the scan you sent that he can't be sure there aren't worlds he can't sense or perceive. Those worlds as still within the UEW btw.
Which is exactly what I explained, except on a bigger scale. The "worlds" you're talking about are whatever worlds exist beyond The Sea. Then, there exist the space outside of that space (which would be the multiverse, for example) and then another space (Higher Universe, for example)."Worlds existed within Celestial Foundations, and these Foundations existed within the “sea.” The sea was enormous, containing countless such Foundations, but it was not hard to imagine the existence of worlds outside of it. There were worlds, the space outside them, and another place beyond all of that." (Volume 14)
1. Celestial Foundations
2. these Foundations existed within the “sea."
The Sea was enormous, containing countless such Foundations.
but it was not hard to imagine the existence of worlds "outside" of it/Sea.
"Is connected to all Celestial Foundation" but "isn't connected to all celestial foundation".“This is the Celestial Axis. It connects Celestial Foundations to each other. By going through here, you can visit all sorts of worlds. There are other worlds not connected by this Axis, but we should be able to reach yours, no problem.” (Volume 14)
The Celestial Axis is connected to all Celestial foundations in the Sea, and Kouryu explained that they're other worlds not connected to the Celestial Axis.
This is only one of such worlds.3. There were worlds = Sea of Stars.
Sure, I've no problem with this.Sea of Celestial foundations ≠ Sea of Stars.
Which is the multiverse of said "Sea of Stars".4. the space outside them.
Which is the higher universe that encompass them.5. another place beyond all of that. (Ultimate Ensemble World)
Everything is explained in that single sentence, worlds are nested within each other.There were worlds, the space outside them, and another place beyond all of that. Worlds with different fundamental laws all existed nested within each other.
Told me you didn't read the novel without telling me. The fact you can even write this is baffling to me.Mitsuki was already superior to UEG before he got power from 3 Goddesses.
Nothing High 1-B once again. Did you read the tiering system? Because, once again, I advise you to do so.This is where I said that it would be H1-B.
Theory and there's no way to see the whole of it.1. Some people in the Ultimate Ensemble World thought that Ultimate Ensemble World is where the cosmology stop, since it's where most intelligent life forms live in.
Yeah, because no one is strong enough to see everything from the outside.2. The Author wrote Ultimate Ensemble World is "Apparently" the end structure of ID universe.
We agree. Although, to be precise, he's the strongest in the worlds he knows of.3. Ultimate God is the strongest in all worlds in the Ultimate Ensemble World.
This is false. Nothing indicate worlds beyond the UEW.Him saying that there are other worlds he can't see and perceive is talking about the worlds above Ultimate Ensemble World
He literally state there is nothing above the UEW, that it encompasses everything.It eliminates anything that threatens the state of Takatō Yogiri, trying to maintain that, from the 'world.' Oh, by 'world,' I mean the Ultimate Ensemble World, including all conceivable worlds. I know, saying just 'world' can lead to discussions about the outside of that world, different dimensions, parallel worlds, and so on. So I don’t mess around when I say 'world,' I mean it encompasses everything.
The worlds they're talking about are the Higher level universes.Which is exactly what I explained, except on a bigger scale. The "worlds" you're talking about are whatever worlds exist beyond The Sea. Then, there exist the space outside of that space (which would be the multiverse, for example) and then another space (Higher Universe, for example).
I took the cosmological places we're familiar to avoid the confusion, exactly because of this.
??? Celestial Axis is connected to all Celestial foundations in the Sea."Is connected to all Celestial Foundation" but "isn't connected to all celestial foundation"
The Sea of Stars hold all the higher universes.This is only one of such worlds
Beyond the space are Worlds with different fundamental laws all existed nested within each other.Which is the higher universe that encompass them.
Everything is explained in that single sentence, worlds are nested within each other.
Mitsuki is one of the exceptions in Ultimate Ensemble World and his charm ability affected Female life forms, this includes the "the greatest intelligent female life forms" known as UEG, Luu and Alexia.Told me you didn't read the novel without telling me. The fact you can even write this is baffling to me.
High 1-B definition are characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy infinite-dimensional space.Nothing High 1-B once again. Did you read the tiering system? Because, once again, I advise you to do so.
Like i said before, Ultimate Ensemble World isn't the end of the ID cosmology, there are other worlds outside of it.Theory and there's no way to see the whole of it.
Yeah, because no one is strong enough to see everything from the outside.
Why are you leaving out this paragraph.He literally state there is nothing above the UEW, that it encompasses everything
I think you're just doing it on purpose at this point.Beyond the SPACE are Worlds with different fundamental laws all existed nested within each other.
Absolutely not. This is stated in the sentence you quoted, do you even read the quote you send???? Celestial Axis is connected to all Celestial foundations in the Sea.
XD.The Sea of Stars hold all the higher universes.
Don't misquote the text.Beyond the space are Worlds with different fundamental laws all existed nested within each other.
There were worlds, the space outside them, and another place beyond all of that. Worlds with different fundamental laws all existed nested within each other. That was apparently the structure of the universe.
Exception only via his ability. That's it.Mitsuki is one of the exceptions in Ultimate Ensemble World and his charm ability affected Female life forms, this includes the "the greatest intelligent female life forms" known as UEG, Luu and Alexia.
World Slayer katana is also an exception like Mitsuki, it's superior to Alexia and the other greatest intelligent life forms.
You still don't understand the tiering system and how dimensionality or cardinality works.High 1-B definition are characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy infinite-dimensional space.
I already explained the feat Touichirou and UEG did in the light novel.
It is encompassing everything that exist.Like i said before, Ultimate Ensemble World isn't the end of the ID cosmology, there are other worlds outside of it.
The Ultimate Being hasn't appear yet to destroy the total collection of universes because The End actions of killing life forms before they reach that level of power.
Because it's unimportant. That he know all worlds or not is irrelevant, the highest instance of intelligence in the verse quoted the fact that the thing that encompass everything IS THE UEW.Why are you leaving out this paragraph.
"It's about how you perceive the world, but simply put, it's within the scope of cognition."
"There's practically no world that we cannot be perceive. OF COURSE, I DON'T MEAN TO MAKE RASH STATEMENTS LIKE SOMETHING DOESN'T EXIST JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT."
"BUT EVEN IF IT EXISTS, if it has no impact whatsoever, then it might as well be NON-EXISTENT, don't you think?
SURE, THERE MIGHT BE WORLDS I CAN'T COMPREHEND, AND I CAN'T ASSERT ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY. JUST LIKE HOW YOU DIDN'T INITIALLY GRASP MY GREATNESS WHEN YOU FIRST ARRIVED HERE. By the way, I'm
often called the Ultimate God."