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When he said he was shaped by forces i think The presence was talking about the writers. That was a 4th wall feat
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So what The Presence's tier now? Still 1-B?Huesito88 said:Yeah but the presence is like what 1-b so if he is possibly tier 0 then well we can compare it better. As someone stated when two 0 fight we have to see who is next in line and since dc only has b-1 after their tier 0 then we can't judge how powerful my a-1 would be tier 0 in your universe but not in mine universe
1 hour later and nobody watch thisHuesito88 said:They will I am sure eventually
So please can you put The Presence on 1-A or unknow like Overvoid please?Antvasima said:Well, the original Sandman series has definitely interacted with the regular DCU, and Lucifer was a direct continuation.
As for Dan Didio, he is the most universally hated man in comics for a good reason, as he has singlehandedly completely wrecked all semblance of coherent continuity, enjoyability, marketability, and everything iconic and enjoyable about DC Comics, but nevertheless, the character that we feature here is the one from Lucifer, not any other iteration, and we have to strive for some semblance of coherence within the wiki, despite the absolute mess that DC has placed itself in.
I said The Presence in DCUAntvasima said:No. We have no proof of the Vertigo character remotely being that high.
And you must know that creation The Presence held in hand isnt multiverseAntvasima said:Also, it would be confusing to feature two different Presence pages, especially as what little we have seen of him in the Phantom Stranger (manifesting as a dog), was rather unimpressive, comparatively speaking. Beating up Trigon and Neron is not much in the grand scale of things.
THE PRESENCE IN DCU PLEASE, THAT'S THE PRESENCE IN VERTIGOAntvasima said:Again, until we get any explicit statements about that it is a beyond dimensional structure, we cannot treat it as such.
The Presence has been shown as a quite limited character, created and empowered by humanity's belief in him, and possible to kill by the archangels. As such, we definitely cannot assume him to be immeasurably beyond multiversal scale.