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Vytal Festival Bracket Round 1, Match 1

Firephoenixearl said:
That is actually pretty good ngl. He seems like a good team worker if it weren't for the fact that their opponent is Mirio tbh. Since Mirio analyzes the whole situation and will take care of multiple people at once if need be. The fact that he downscales from 5 tons also is pretty significant cus it means Mirio can easily damage him.
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Definitely, the problem then became the same as Zero-One. Horobi also have dumb **** level of APrediction an Reactive Power Level. And since he doesn’t have the same human weakness because he’s an Android he doesn’t really have any sort of pressure point to work on.

And due to his Stealth he can basically shoot the ground once and peace out if someone very troublesome approach him. Hell he might even managed to land a sneak attack against Mirio if he isn’t careful.

And due to his starting move being basically massive AoE the pony have very little chance to survive this time. Since his Danmaku homes onto his target and how packed the arena is. Along with Akim’s laser it is very likely that team FFS will suddenly down a member before the fight even really start.
 
Nicetoderp said:
Definitely, the problem then became the same as Zero-One. Horobi also have dumb **** level of APrediction an Reactive Power Level. And since he doesn’t have the same human weakness because he’s an Android he doesn’t really have any sort of pressure point to work on.
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But no teleport, once Mirio is onto him, it's over.
Nicetoderp said:
And due to his starting move being basically massive AoE the pony have very little chance to survive this time. Since his Danmaku homes onto his target and how packed the arena is. Along with Akim’s laser it is very likely that team FFS will suddenly down a member before the fight even really start.
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Yes but Mori is around. He can just swing his legs once and all of the explosion smoke along with the danmaku are gone, keeping the pony safe. Also can you elaborate on his stealth? You can't really hide in plain sight.
 
Really? Three pages in a night? Do any of you sleep, or am I just on the wrong side of the planet? Can anyone summarize the debate so far for me? I'd like to actually argue for my character.
 
Well, basically the debate start a new one since Zero One take the ban hammer and have Horobi come in to deal with this instead
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Yes but Mori is around. He can just swing his legs once and all of the explosion smoke along with the danmaku are gone, keeping the pony safe. Also can you elaborate on his stealth? You can't really hide in plain sight.
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Well, apparently this man can just do that. There really isn’t a how given to these characters. For example Aruto managed to sneak attack on Ark-Zero who can see trough any electronic device and have several kilometers tracking + global field of vision due to satellite control. And with just some dust picking up from a frankly very small explosion.

Why do I mentioned Zero One? Because Horobi basically done the same thing against Thouser and later on in their rematch.

And while Horobi danmaku is gone he will be dealing with Akim blasting the FSS with his laser with huge AoE as well
 
Ming's attacks are also AoE and uses compressed air, when they hit, it's gonna stagger and effect the soul of Oleander and Mori. Once that happened, the amount of damage they'll receive will be significant. Honestly, the pony's probably dead at this point since it's physically the weakest in the entire fight and it being bombarded by attacks that are more than twice her durability. What can Mirio do to stop this?
 
Nicetoderp said:
Well, apparently this man can just do that. There really isn’t a how given to these characters. For example Aruto managed to sneak attack on Ark-Zero who can see trough any electronic device and have several kilometers tracking + global field of vision due to satellite control. And with just some dust picking up from a frankly very small explosion.

And while Horobi danmaku is gone he will be dealing with Akim blasting the FSS with his laser with huge AoE as well
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Yeah but Mori can just leg sweep those explosion dusts away rendering his stealth kinda useless. And orleander can just TK his Danmaku making the explosions not happen at all.

Akim will have bigger issues to deal with by the name of Pony's explosions as well as Mirio popping out of the ground to blast him in the face.

BERRIES555 said:
Ming's attacks are also AoE and uses compressed air, when they hit, it's gonna stagger and effect the soul of Oleander and Mori. Once that happened, the amount of damage they'll receive will be significant. Honestly, the pony's probably dead at this point since it's physically the weakest in the entire fight and it being bombarded by attacks that are more than twice her durability. What can Mirio do to stop this?
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If Ming goes for AoE or targets anyone it'll be the perfect moment for Mirio to take the chance and knock him out. Turning the fight into a 3v2 giving his team a massive advantage as well as dropping the opponent team's chances against Mirio to ridiculously low.

Mirio's current AP advantage is a serious help to FSS. Ming will require no more than 1 hit to KO, and although Horobi and Akim will require more they lack the ways to escape Mirio's onslaught when paired up with the other members of his team. So the downfall here is gonna be the fact that team NAZ doesn't have many ways to keep Ming safe from Mirio. And Ming doesn't have ways to fight Mirio off in 1v1 combat especially when paired with Mirio's unpredictability in the ground warp.

Once Ming goes down everything snowballs from there, the chances get slimmer and slimmer.

So how i see this fight going is:

Horobi starts spamming some danmaku which will easily be taken care of by Mori's wind kicks which he'll make to save Orleand, but will also negate Horobi's stealth (due to no explosions). Mirio tries to aim for the entire NAZ team to keep them busy.

Due to his nature of not going for hand to hand combat when he pops out of the ground he either starts hitting everyone including ming who gets 1 shot after realizing that his forcefields don't work against him, or he uses phantom menace which will similarly incapacitate Ming due to the huge AP advantage and bother Horobi and Akim while they're at it.

With ming out of the picture the fight turns into a 3v2 for a very easy win for FSS.

Honestly just a case of Mirio being easily capable of taking out 1 of the key parts of the team while still keeping the rest busy with his fighting style, then turning the fight into an "overwhelm with numbers".
 
The thing is here, Ming's attack attack with sound. That's something that you can't dodge and since it'll be an AoE, it'll hit everyone. Can Mirio's intangibility negate sound base attacks?

Horobi's Ai is on the same league as Aruto's own Ai, which I've already shown to be far superior than Ai that can become untouchable. So Mirio wouldn't be able to land any hit when he's facing Horobi 1v1.

If Mirio's was able to knock the arrows away, they'd still hit something and would cause explosion across the entire arena. Also, Oleander's LS is unknown so I don't see her TK being that big of a deal.

If it comes down to Akim and Horobi vs the rest of team FSS, Horobi's stinger could literally take out anyone besides Mirio. It destroys things on the molecular level so the other two wouldn't be able to survive that. Horobi could also shoot these from a distance or use Sting Dystopia to use them in an attack. His AI is fast enough to catch Oleander since he's faced far better TP and Mori reasonable shouldn't take long to take out.

If Mirio tries to attack Horobi while he's taking out the other two, Horobi had

  • Scorpion Scope (スコーピオンスコープ Sukōpion Sukōpu): Horobi's visual equipment. It has excellent night vision and target tracking capability and also functions as a camera for the Scorpion Chelicera with a scanning function using X-rays and infrared rays.
To see Mirio and his AI would warn him of any attacks

We actually had a Mirio vs Horobi fight before which actually ended with Horobi winning. The only reason why it's not there anymore is before it got deleted.
 
BERRIES555 said:
The thing is here, Ming's attack attack with sound. That's something that you can't dodge and since it'll be an AoE, it'll hit everyone. Can Mirio's intangibility negate sound base attacks?
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Well obviously, intangibility negates all types of attack.
BERRIES555 said:
Horobi's Ai is on the same league as Aruto's own Ai, which I've already shown to be far superior than Ai that can become untouchable. So Mirio wouldn't be able to land any hit when he's facing Horobi 1v1.
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Not really, when you're close enough you really cannot dodge, you'd have to resort to blocking....which you can't against Mirio. And that still would be while he tries to deal with Mori's dozen of AoE attacks and Orleand's explosions. Just no, just cus you see something coming doesn't mean you can avoid it.
BERRIES555 said:
If Mirio's was able to knock the arrows away, they'd still hit something and would cause explosion across the entire arena. Also, Oleander's LS is unknown so I don't see her TK being that big of a deal.
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Not Mirio, Jin. Jin will just push them back with wind AoE. And you don't need impressive LS to stop arrows.
BERRIES555 said:
If it comes down to Akim and Horobi vs the rest of team FSS, Horobi's stinger could literally take out anyone besides Mirio. It destroys things on the molecular level so the other two wouldn't be able to survive that. Horobi could also shoot these from a distance or use Sting Dystopia to use them in an attack. His AI is fast enough to catch Oleander since he's faced far better TP and Mori reasonable shouldn't take long to take out.
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That's if he manages to land a hit on them. Not only is Mori far more skilled and has a significant amount of AoE, but he has to deal with Mirio too. In a 2v1 things don't go as you planned.
BERRIES555 said:
If Mirio tries to attack Horobi while he's taking out the other two, Horobi had

  • Scorpion Scope (スコーピオンスコープ Sukōpion Sukōpu): Horobi's visual equipment. It has excellent night vision and target tracking capability and also functions as a camera for the Scorpion Chelicera with a scanning function using X-rays and infrared rays.
To see Mirio and his AI would warn him of any attacks
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Again, being warned doesn't mean you can avoid them. You need to be faster to avoid at close range. And again you need to "completely dodge", cus blocking won't work. And don't forget Horobi doesn't know that blocking won't work so taking a couple of hits will be a given considering the shock of your opponent outright phasing through you.
BERRIES555 said:
We actually had a Mirio vs Horobi fight before which actually ended with Horobi winning. The only reason why it's not there anymore is before it got deleted.
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First of all, let's not dwell on the past. Second of all, this isn't a 1v1 anymore. It's a team fight.
 
Okay... this probably would make everyone want to boot Horobi, but what about his reaction speed being much higher than his normal speed?
 
What? I thought it was that their level of speed is equal but if a character's reactions is higher than his own speed, their reactions would be higher than the other characters. Like, Spider-Man, he's able to see everything in slow-mo and it's higher than his normal speed, so he would still be have faster reactions in a speed equal fight.
 
BERRIES555 said:
What? I thought it was that their level of speed is equal but if a character's reactions is higher than his own speed, their reactions would be higher than the other characters. Like, Spider-Man, he's able to see everything in slow-mo and it's higher than his normal speed, so he would still be have faster reactions in a speed equal fight.
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Yeah but it all gets equalized.

His movement speed = Mori's movement speed
his reaction speed = mori's reaction speed
etc.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Well obviously, intangibility negates all types of attack.
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Doesn't Mirio have to get a part of his body to be tangible to be able to attack? This would make him got straight into Horobi's Poison. And in his profile, he can't breathe when fully intangible. Also, all his senses are disabled.

Firephoenixearl said:
Yeah but Mori can just leg sweep those explosion dusts away rendering his stealth kinda useless. And orleander can just TK his Danmaku making the explosions not happen at all.
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This exact thing happened to Horobi. Kamen Rider Thouser was able to sweep the arrows away with his sword. Horobi sneaked from his starting spot to behind Thouser once Thouser was done sweeping his arrows away. Once he was there, he caught Thouser off guard and Thouser's prediction system > Zero-One SAH's prediction system.

Aright, I have to say some stuff about Horobi before anything else.

Horobi's learning and pure fighting ability far exceeds everyone from Zero-One's verse including Zero-One.
Since he is a super computer on crack, he uses every second to learn what the enemy does, their tendencies and all that.
He has used this to perfectly counter Zero-One's TP spams not getting hit by it once and landing perfect shots onto Zero-One. There are even more extreme cases of this ability.

Horobi's Stinger is freely moved by thought. This means that it can be freely change from defense to offense to being able to wear it. The Stinger can regrow if destroyed.
 
The sound of thunderclap affects the soul, not the body making his intangibility useless.

Thousand-Armed Buddha - a fist technique where Ming Xin will strike with such speed that it looks like he has 1 thousand arms, this attack will attack the body and soul (if enough fist strikes the target, their soul will be destroyed).

Sunshine Refining Yang Soul in the Sky - another palm strike, this having no physical damage, just soul damage. The palm will create a thunderclap which sound can shatter the soul and its glow will purge it. It's not instant destruction of the soul, but enough uses will do the job.

Those are the attacks that can interact with the soul.
 
Ming's attacks are compressed air? Mori hard counters that. His basic attacks displace air and can disrupt air attacks.
 
Spring Thunder on the Lonely Eas Sea - will compress the air thanks to his strong palm strike then explode outward disrupting things before it. Only this is the compressed air.
 
Horobi's stealth is negated by Mori's enhanced senses.

How strong are Ming's shields?
 
Can tank without breaking an attack that contains 9 different types of forces al around 7.5 tons.
 
Mori's enhanced senses aren't mechanical. Plus, sneak attacks don't work on Mori because instinctive reactions.
 
IxaSaga2 said:
Doesn't Mirio have to get a part of his body to be tangible to be able to attack? This would make him got straight into Horobi's Poison. And in his profile, he can't breathe when fully intangible. Also, all his senses are disabled.
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Yes but only the part that he's attacking with. Horobi's poison isn't gonna affect him if it can't hit him. And yeah he can't breathe and all his senses are disabled when he's intangible i don't see your point though.
IxaSaga2 said:
This exact thing happened to Horobi. Kamen Rider Thouser was able to sweep the arrows away with his sword. Horobi sneaked from his starting spot to behind Thouser once Thouser was done sweeping his arrows away. Once he was there, he caught Thouser off guard and Thouser's prediction system > Zero-One SAH's prediction system.
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Except Mori can do that by blowing them away with wind, not letting them get close enough to even distract him in the first place.
IxaSaga2 said:
Aright, I have to say some stuff about Horobi before anything else.

Horobi's learning and pure fighting ability far exceeds everyone from Zero-One's verse including Zero-One.
Since he is a super computer on crack, he uses every second to learn what the enemy does, their tendencies and all that.
He has used this to perfectly counter Zero-One's TP spams not getting hit by it once and landing perfect shots onto Zero-One. There are even more extreme cases of this ability.

Horobi's Stinger is freely moved by thought. This means that it can be freely change from defense to offense to being able to wear it. The Stinger can regrow if destroyed.
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They ain't really gonna help. Im pretty sure Mori outclasses him in that regard.
 
That's the least of their worries, the dude is Non-Corporeal. While they do have Ming who can deal with both, it's still very unlikely they can take this match at all.
 
Her ultimate summons Fred for a small amount of time, making him unhittable in the meanwhile. However, in this state, he can't attack if she can't attack - like when she's stunned or such.

If summoned fully, they fight like this:
 
Nop. Mirio is countered hard by Ming. While he staggers everyone what stops Akim to BFR/Power absorb them?
 
Zaratthustra said:
Nop. Mirio is countered hard by Ming.
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Not really, since that statement works the other way around too. Ming is countered hard by Mirio. A dude who has feats of 1 shotting people on his level of AP that has far better combat capability and is far less predictable. It's honestly 1 shot vs several hits. I have no idea how just because he can interact with Mirio it somehow becomes a full on counter to him when Mirio can easily punch him up.
Zaratthustra said:
While he staggers everyone what stops Akim to BFR/Power absorb them?
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Mirio (who can just go inside the wall or floor to escape the stagger) and Fred. Not to mention Mori just swinging his legs to get rid of the air compressing staggers.
 
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