Touhou Discussion Thread 3 ⌈Eternal Fantasy Edition⌋

[SomeJJJJ]

Looks like someone forgot to view the Vs Thread 2hu Proposal.

 

[MeWhenEasyModo]

Hello, newbie here. I don’t mean to derail the conversation, but I was wondering what to do if I have questions about the verse. Would it be proper to make a post or ask here?
Sorry if this question is too broad for a Touhou channel, but I’m pretty lost rn
Thanks!

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Hello, newbie here. I don’t mean to derail the conversation, but I was wondering what to do if I have questions about the verse. Would it be proper to make a post or ask here?
Sorry if this question is too broad for a Touhou channel, but I’m pretty lost rn
Thanks!

Yeah, you're always welcome to ask questions here. I'll try to answer them when I can, though I've been a bit busy lately. Welcome btw!

 

[Deidalius]

I lost a Discord argument with a God of War fan so.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Question for yall: When making the physiology page, should I include less common youkai subtypes like oni, tengu, and vampires, or should I keep the associated abilities confined to the relevant profiles? I'm mostly just worried about how there wouldn't be enough pages for each subtype to be a verse power, even if they're just extensions of a pre-existing verse power (that being youkai physiology).

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Question for yall: When making the physiology page, should I include less common youkai subtypes like oni, tengu, and vampires, or should I keep the associated abilities confined to the relevant profiles? I'm mostly just worried about how there wouldn't be enough pages for each subtype to be a verse power, even if they're just extensions of a pre-existing verse power (that being youkai physiology).

Subtypes should be fine, the minimum number of a physiology page affected profiles are 5. Which mean if its in a single physiology page, having sub-types should be fine cause the entire pages itself only need 5 profiles.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Subtypes should be fine, the minimum number of a physiology page affected profiles are 5. Which mean if its in a single physiology page, having sub-types should be fine cause the entire pages itself only need 5 profiles.

Here's what I have down currently:

Most of these don't have 5 characters that qualify, but I think things that are just an extension of more common physiological traits (for example, magician physiology) are fine. Things like vengeful spirits and ghosts also need physiology sections because a lot of characters can summon or become them, even if there aren't a lot of characters with profiles that innately have those traits (eg; Orin and Komachi can summon vengeful spirits, so it's worth having a link to a page where what those spirits can even do is explained). Finally, a lot of characters gain the benefits of another species’ physiology as an extension of their own, like how tsukumogami are simultaneously gods and youkai. Even if there aren’t enough celestials to justify having a physiology page, Lunarians also gain the benefits of celestial physiology, so it becomes necessary to list those traits separately (since they’re an innate part of Lunarian physiology, but still apply to at least one character without Lunarian physiology).

Unrelated, but once the physiology page is 100% done, it'll be the longest page on the wiki by a mile. Like, not even close. God help me.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Here's what I have down currently:

Most of these don't have 5 characters that qualify, but I think things that are just an extension of more common physiological traits (for example, magician physiology) are fine. Things like vengeful spirits and ghosts also need physiology sections because a lot of characters can summon or become them, even if there aren't a lot of characters with profiles that innately have those traits (eg; Orin and Komachi can summon vengeful spirits, so it's worth having a link to a page where what those spirits can even do is explained). Finally, a lot of characters gain the benefits of another species’ physiology as an extension of their own, like how tsukumogami are simultaneously gods and youkai. Even if there aren’t enough celestials to justify having a physiology page, Lunarians also gain the benefits of celestial physiology, so it becomes necessary to list those traits separately (since they’re an innate part of Lunarian physiology, but still apply to at least one character without Lunarian physiology).

Unrelated, but once the physiology page is 100% done, it'll be the longest page on the wiki by a mile. Like, not even close. God help me.

Nice, yeah this is fine. The whole page itself only need 5 characters.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

oh lol

This applies to almost everyone so I think we're fine on that front. Anyways, hunting down quotes to add to the page for flavor led me to find a scan I missed regarding boundary users being able to manipulate entropy, so that's cool.

 

[Deidalius]

Localization:
Ex-Rumia in the world of KKHTA

EX-Rumia: Girllllr dontn be killing people thatsts badd

Koishi: So true

Flan & Meiling: WE WILL LIVE

The Watatsuki's in the realistic world of Osana Reimu

Reimu's mom: It seems the edgy hags can't handle a single Fantasy seal

Reimu: Tremendous Aya-humiliating beatdown (It's a pun between beatdown and Aya)

 

[MeWhenEasyModo]

Yeah, you're always welcome to ask questions here. I'll try to answer them when I can, though I've been a bit busy lately. Welcome btw!

Thank you for the encouraging words! I really appreciate it.
Keep up the good work! I can tell you've been doing a lot of good work maintaining the Touhou pages.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

My first commission is finished.......... I'm really happy with it and WILL be using it to push my Mokou x Keine propaganda even more. (art by @Mafu_kun21 on twitter)

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Thank you for the encouraging words! I really appreciate it.
Keep up the good work! I can tell you've been doing a lot of good work maintaining the Touhou pages.

Thank you! It's been a long process, but I'm finally at the part where everything is coming together.

 

[Deidalius]

New ZUN announcement, Mizachi is finally playable.

 

[BlastX]

Timezones are a bitch.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

MIKO HAS CANON RIZZ
https://m angadex.org/chapter/f1dbe633-1450-4348-844e-870271da3351

Also, a certain long-awaited revision is out...

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Question for yall -

Which render do you prefer? Most of my oomfs on Discord prefer the first, but I figured I'd ask here too.

 

[Nierre]

Can you use both?

First one for sureee

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Can you use both?

First one for sureee

I've already got the unedited versions in her gallery, and I'd prefer to not have the main profile images be split up except in cases where it's necessary (like characters from PC-98 and Windows).

also damn, i actually really like her FS render

 

[EMagoIorSouI]

For me, easily the second one. Forbidden Scrollery's art style is peak and is probably more iconic overall seeing as the same artist has done work for other official Touhou properties like Antinomy of Common Flowers and Urban Legend in Limbo.

 

[RanHover60]

I find the 2nd one more charming but the first is more how I’d expect her to be shown

 

[SomeJJJJ]

Question for yall -

Which render do you prefer? Most of my oomfs on Discord prefer the first, but I figured I'd ask here too.

FS ONE

 

[Shiroiyo]

I particularly prefer the second one.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

FS ONE

I particularly prefer the second one.

Okay well uh

I think that means the vote is tied?? At this point I think I'll just use both lol

 

[Nierre]

yessir!!!!

tbf im not opposed to the second one at all, im totally cool with that one as well, i just slightly prefer the first one

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Done. Hope I don't have to do this for more than one character lol

 

[XatorNova]

she is beautiful in both anyways
uhm... the second one looks really cool, but as someone else has said, the first one is how I imagine her showing up
but cool that you're using both

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Getting back into the flow of research and editing, feels good after the short hiatus I had to take. Anyways, physiology page is coming along nicely (though I'll have to make a separate sandbox indexing the changes I want to add for gods/youkai, since those are waaaaay bigger than the additions for every other species), and I've caught up on Lotus Eaters, which has given me even more absurd statements for youkai physiology. If they weren't unkillable before, they sure as hell are now. Also, Miko having rizz is unironically a good supporting scan for hermits having social influencing, although I'm not sure if I can get away with mentioning that on the physiology page.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

(though I'll have to make a separate sandbox indexing the changes I want to add for gods/youkai, since those are waaaaay bigger than the additions for every other species)

This is going well, by the way. I'm expanding it to include every justification that isn't already part of the profile reworks or verse power pages, so that includes every individual character's ability additions. For example -

Mokou doesn't get a whole lot, so I don't mind sharing this. Forgor to add Mid-Godly to her regen negation though, oops

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

In a potentially unwise move, I have decided to write standard tactics sections for everyone who deserves them. For example, Yukari is very good at winning without fighting at all via a combination of summoning/SI/power null/BFR/sealing.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

EVERYONE WAKE UP
NEW HIFUU CD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MARIBEL'S HAT HAS THE YUKARI BOW
IT LOOKS LIKE MARIBEL IS FALLING INTO A DREAM WHILE RENKO IS TRYING TO CATCH HER
NECROFANTASIA IN THE TRACK LIST
THE IMPLICATIONS OUGUGUUGUGU THE IMPLICATIONS ARE DRIVING ME INSANE

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

EVERYONE WAKE UP
NEW HIFUU CD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MARIBEL'S HAT HAS THE YUKARI BOW
IT LOOKS LIKE MARIBEL IS FALLING INTO A DREAM WHILE RENKO IS TRYING TO CATCH HER
NECROFANTASIA IN THE TRACK LIST
THE IMPLICATIONS OUGUGUUGUGU THE IMPLICATIONS ARE DRIVING ME INSANE

im gonna be real with yall i legitimately started hyperventilating/crying when i saw this and realized it was real

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

THE GOLDEN AGE OF TOUHOU YURI IS UPON US

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Alright now that I'm not running off of sleep deprivation -

I still can't believe this is real? There's the fact that it's been 8 years since the last Hifuu story, of course, but basically every last bit of context we've been given implies this is gonna be the CD where ZUN actually elaborates on what sort of connection Maribel has to Yukari. It's surreal to think about, because I was convinced it'd be one of those things that'd remain eternally unresolved. As mentioned in the tweet above, there's a good chance it'll also probably be gay, which is good because RenMerry is based (and also one of the few ships I've never seen anyone disagree with; we are all united in our love of doomed lesbians, it seems). Touhou 19 potentially being the catalyst for Touhou's yuri golden age is extremely funny to me.

In terms of VS shit, if Yukari and Maribel are confirmed to be the same person... yeah, idk what I'm gonna do with their pages. At bare minimum update their summaries and append a spoiler template to the pages, but we might have to merge them together, which... I'm not really sure how to go about doing, admittedly. Yukari just being one of Maribel's keys is odd, but also very funny.

 

[SomeJJJJ]

@Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara So i Think in one of the Hifuu CD's its said that, inmortality is an state that lacks from the life and death or the boundary, That does not contradict that Yukari may deny hourai immortality by crossing the boundary of life and death as stated in AoCF?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

@Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara So i Think in one of the Hifuu CD's its said that, inmortality is an state that lacks from the life and death or the boundary, That does not contradict that Yukari may deny hourai immortality by crossing the boundary of life and death as stated in AoCF?

It's not a contradiction. It's forcing someone who exists outside of a system (in this case, life and death) back within that system, which is why her immortality negation even works in the first place.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Heyo, starting a touhou binge, any sort of advice or tips?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Heyo, starting a touhou binge, any sort of advice or tips?

That depends. Were you gonna start with the manga or the games?

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

That depends. Were you gonna start with the manga or the games?

Thought to start with the games first

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Thought to start with the games first

Perfect Cherry Blossom is one of the best games to start with, in my opinion. It's fairly easy compared to other games in the series, and is early enough in the series for you to not to know anything about Touhou going in. It also helps that the story isn't too complex.