I'm waiting for the Chinese wiki to upload the final part before I give any thoughts on it.
Now that I've had a little more time to let things sink in...
Not really? I believe it moreso has to do with the subjective nature of reality and how nothing truly "exists" unless it is being actively perceived, much like Schrodinger's Cat. This same principle is seen in Dr. Latency's Freak Report, where youkai are simultaneously alive and dead until Maribel observes one directly.Speaking of the story, I have an unresolved doubt, Renko says that in Gensokyo there is no matter as such, turning its inhabitants into ghosts.... Does that mean that no one in Gensokyo is real or something like that?
Sure, what did you want to ask?
From how it looked, I have about 2 right now, though could probably be more if I do a reread (which may be likely soon) or as I'm typing this.
The atmosphere didn't affect her power. It just made it so the stars didn't twinkle. Considering an ordinary moon rabbit gets bonked on the head by one of the stars and is fine (and a couple of fairies block them without issue), I think it's safer to say that Marisa was just holding back rather than the stars being weakened by some outside force. That would also line up with Marisa being the one to suggest a spell card duel in the first place, and explain that they de-emphasize raw power in favor of style.
Reimu and Yorihime never fought directly, their fight was almost entirely a measure of their summoning prowess. Remilia only did the best because she was the only one to lead with raw, unrestrained power; Yorihime's strength lies in having 40 million techniques, which gives her a hard counter to any esoteric abilities one might possess. She does not, however, have a counter to throwing hands with someone physically stronger than her. Yorihime only wins by playing into Remilia's narcissism and convincing her to hold back by using a spell card, which gives Yori the opportunity to summon Amaterasu and blast her with the power of the sun (which is obviously a good win condition against a vampire). Notably, Sakuya is also shown to be physically stronger than Yorihime as well, but she doesn't fall back on CQC like Remi does. Reimu even goes so far as to note that Yorihime's victory has nothing to do with power.
They aren't. Eirin is pretty much the only character who's worthy of that much hype, because it's made very clear that she is comically superior to everyone around her. I've shown this above, but Remilia and Sakuya should upscale from Yorihime in AP. Jidiao like Yachie are equal to dragons, which would in turn scale to the other Animal Realm leaders (and Flandre via her fight with Yuuma, and like... 99% of the high tiers by extension because CDS' scaling is a clusterfuck). Okuu is empowered by and can summon Yatagarasu, but she's still in awe of Marisa's power to the point of becoming submissive towards her. Sakuyahime considers the power of the Hourai Elixir (which is Kaguya's own power) far superior to her own, and I shouldn't have to explain that Mokou (+ literally the entire playable cast of Imperishable Night) scales by extension. Kaguya also directly compares Marisa and Alice to the denizens of the Lunar Capital. Native gods like Suwako can surpass the highest of gods, which would include those living in the capital. I might be forgetting a few things, but it's pretty clear that there's good reason to scale Gensokyo denizens to Lunar Capital denizens.
Thank you very much for answering! This is the level of knowledgeable on Touhou I hope to be at someday, caught my eyes for a long time. Love it and the passion that surrounds it a lot.
This is also pretty interesting, I was caught up in the whole Yorihime hype loop myself for a GOOD while so this definitely helps.
You're welcome. Feel free to ask me anything else, I've got quite a lot of knowledge on this series saved up.
It's one of those things that became so prevalent that nobody ever bothered to fact check it because like... why wouldn't it be right?
I'll make sure to remember that, thanks again.
It was very common to hear from others I've talked to, so feels good to get that off from my mind.
Speaking of Reimu and Yorihime uhh... Yorihime is a shrine maiden lol? I am not sure if she could have the few haxes that the shrine maidens would have, or realistically she is not as such, how the heck can she summon gods or something like that, I am left with the doubt.
Wait like what AFiEU????? Can you explain more in detail? or provide scans? I'm really curious to know what you're talking about... rn
Why "5-B" ?
She's not. She can just summon gods.
That's the baseline for mid-tier scaling, based on this calc.
The entire article is here, but the basic idea is that Gensokyo maintains its stability due to being open to new ideas and people from all walks of life (this is corroborated by ZUN talking about the nature of Gensokyo in an interview regarding HSiFS). Locations like the Lunar Capital, being insular and uncooperative by nature, are setting up their own downfall, and the walls they build are destined to fall one day.
Yorihime claims that with her ability, she could win against the SSiB protags 40 million times in a row, so I just use that as the value for how many different gods she can potentially summon. That said, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that she could call upon any of them if she really wanted to.
The calc is already measuring the depth by assuming that the Blood Pools are the deepest part of Former Hell and that Gensokyo and Former Hell are physically contiguous, so nothing would change.
Marisa uses the spell card rules because Yorihime has her at gunpoint. That's not a matter of AP scaling, she literally would not be able to engage in a serious fight at that point without getting cut to pieces. That aside... everyone in Gensokyo fights using the SCR anyways, so it's literally just Marisa saying "this is how we fight back where I'm from". The fact that she also teaches the SCR to a number of moon rabbits as well shows that it definitely isn't a matter of AP scaling, unless we really wanna scale every moon rabbit to 2-C. Of course, you could also just look at Reimu's statement that Yorihime's victory has nothing to do with strength.
Of course you did it! Again! What's next? Refuting that Toyohime doesn't have the same ability as Yukari and that she shouldn't be superior to Yukari just because Yukari couldn't open a gap on the moon?
Okay well that one's just stupid because Yukari implicitly says that Eirin is the reason she can't travel to the moon directly. And even then, she can do it so long as she opens a gap in its reflection, so it's not even a hard limit on her abilities.
I mean, it's true that Marisa couldn't do anything against Yorihime. It's also pretty evident that no one in the party could beat her either in subsequent SCR duels-- so the need for SCR were pretty crucial else they would probably be executed.
What ? What are you talking about?
