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kachon meant to say that these 2 statements are similar yet yall take one and leave the other
 
i dont think the navy would hire 2 admirals if theyre massivaly weaker than the others esp that danger levels are rising theyre actually looking for even stronger people
 
i dont think the navy would hire 2 admirals if theyre massivaly weaker than the others esp that danger levels are rising theyre actually looking for even stronger people
Nah man. It ain't like Jinbe outright said that Akainu and Kuzan are relative to each other. That's CRAAZY.
The All Stars however, THEY'RE relative.
As shown by Jack being dropped by 2 Scabbards while King tanks hits from Zoro.
 
we have a canon hierarchy for the beast pirates so at best you can only say theyre close to eachother
what prevents admirals being close?
 
yall know oda lmao
a fight between 2 admirals is not going to be anything but a week long battle with both of them having scars
 
Me having flashbacks to the last time this guy did a thread about the strongest OP characters.

I hope this one goes better
 
i unironically thought ace was fodder till i got to the wiki
his feats dont stand out at all
 
Lucci's feats are still more impressive than zoro law or such, but who would you put there instead?
False
This is crazy.
Objectively true. Shiki, while suffering from a case of steering wheel, was fighting Garp and Sengoku, and Old Sengoku > Old Garp, so his classic form should be similar.
Elaborate on Blackbeard and lucci.
Nah, Burden of Proof is on you, why should they be up there?
 
Heroine got this man acting up
Zoro only surpasses lucci's level with his strongest techniques like asura or the move he used to beat king.
elaborate. Both of you ignored my request, you just called me wrong.
Objectively true. Shiki, while suffering from a case of steering wheel, was fighting Garp and Sengoku, and Old Sengoku > Old Garp, so his classic form should be similar.
Do you think your beliefs will be objective fact if you say they are or do you not know what objective means? According to our profiles, shiki is stated to be roger's equal, he can't be stronger. The fight between him and sengoku and garp was entirely off screen, he could have gotten stomped and we wouldn't know, we just know he got defeated so this isn't a valid feat.
Nah, Burden of Proof is on you, why should they be up there?
I was asking you on why you think that, not saying that you're wrong but okay.
Blackbeard stomped marco, who can fight king and the three admirals, he was a challenging fight to law and probably beat him, and law can fight well against big mom alongside kidd. Blackbeard can also block an attack from S-hawk who can challenge zoro. He also has the most devastating devil fruit combination on the list so he beats those below him on just hax.
Lucci I'm starting to change my mind on but he's on there because he can match g5 luffy using armament who could already make kaido bleed with using armament. He can also take durability negating hits from g5 luffy.
 
akainu because he's objectively the currently strongest in the navy (besides the 5 elders and im)
I agree, I think akainu should be bove green bull who can take hits from coc yamato, take blast breaths and even beat a weakened king and queen.
 
Zoro only surpasses lucci's level with his strongest techniques like asura or the move he used to beat king.
Lucci's only feat is getting he ass beat.
elaborate. Both of you ignored my request, you just called me wrong.
You don't need proof to say wrong, you need proof to say right. Unless the first person included evidence.
Do you think your beliefs will be objective fact if you say they are
Yes.
or do you not know what objective means?
I do.
According to our profiles, shiki is stated to be roger's equal, he can't be stronger.
You can be stated as equal and still be stronger. What's next, are all the Yonkos equal? Is Kaidou = to Oldbeard?
The fight between him and sengoku and garp was entirely off screen, he could have gotten stomped and we wouldn't know, we just know he got defeated so this isn't a valid feat.
I mean, if he was getting stomped, why would they need 2 people?
Blackbeard stomped marco,
Offscreen. He could've done anything.
who can fight king and the three admirals, he was a challenging fight to law and probably beat him
Law nearly killed him, but Augur saved him.
and law can fight well against big mom alongside kidd. Blackbeard can also block an attack from S-hawk who can challenge zoro.
2-Sword Zoro.
He also has the most devastating devil fruit combination on the list so he beats those below him on just hax.
This is a pretty good point, but I disagree with the 2nd part.
Lucci I'm starting to change my mind on but he's on there because he can match g5 luffy using armament who could already make kaido bleed with using armament. He can also take durability negating hits from g5 luffy.
He also got he ass handed to him by a few normal hits, and needed some of his best Rokushiki to dodge an attack.
 
Lucci I'm starting to change my mind on but he's on there because he can match g5 luffy using armament who could already make kaido bleed with using armament. He can also take durability negating hits from g5 luffy.
lucci matching luffy is an outlier because all his feats are much weaker + he isnt admiral level let alone above kaido
 
although i do agree blackbeard is one of the strongest currently, he doesnt scale that high as of now
stronger than marco? all yonkos are
clashed with law? big mom was ******** on him
blocking a hit from s hawk is bare minimum considering his status
 
Threw this together off the top of my head might be forgetting someone.

Strongest OP Characters List(all time)
1). Joyboy/Nika(could be 2)
2). Imu(could be 1)
3). Rocks D. Xebec(could be 4,5, or 6)
4). Whitebeard(could be 3, 5, or 6)
5). Roger(could be 3,4, or 6)
6). Garp(could be 3, 4, or 5)
7). Ryuma(could be much higher, waiting to see the pay off for Black Blades tbh)
8). Kaido(could be 9 or 10)
9). Mihawk(could be at least 8, possibly much higher depending on Black Blade tax.)
10). Shanks(could be 8 or 9)
11). Sengoku(could be much higher, near Garp just has less combat statements as an individual than Garp)
12). Shiki(could be much higher, near Roger and his rivals but has fewer showings/statements than the other rivals. and no confirmed Conq Haki)
13). Dragon(Could be much higher and comparable to a prime Garp but needs to do literally anything.)
14). Rayleigh(could be higher or potentially as low as 15.)
15). Akainu(Could be much higher depending on his post-time skip showings + we might see a logia awakening from him.)
16). Big Mom(could be a bit higher)
17). BB (could be much higher depending on when and how he scarred Shanks and what exactly makes his body "built different" like Marco said.)
18). Luffy (could be higher, a younger Top Tier who needs more showings against other top tiers, barely beat a Kaido who was already at a heavy disadvantage.)
19). Aokiji (could be a bit higher, stalemated Akainu but we need to see the fight tbh, also Logia Awakening Tax might hit)
20). Kizaru (could be a bit higher, Logia Awakening Tax could hit)
21). Oden (fine where he is, had insane potential, could be elevated by future Zoro feats if Zoro keeps comparing himself to Oden while using Enma.)
 
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