Put in a calc request as this could end up as being higher
Is the subsonic feat him disarming the gunman before he can shoot? Im sorry im just confused as to what im meant to be looking at here specifically.
Feels more like artistic liberty to portray his bloodlust rather then an aura (unless people sensing ur rage and bloodlust gives aura manip, if so then i stand corrected)
There are other reasons that support Draken can Subsonic is only from being able to be Comparable with Hanma who can react to Mikey's FTE kicks. It's in the final scene of the Tenjiku Arc (I forget exactly which chapter)
You mean during the battle of 8/3?
No draken literally gets shot twice(you see it says bang bang) he gets between the bullets and takemitchy without being seen
What does battle of 8/3 mean?
The battle between Toman and Moebius where Draken was supposed to be killed.
Yes, that's the scene of Hanma being able to react to Mikey's FTE kick
Why did you write tenjiku arc then? Anyways Mikey was definitely not going all out with that kick so it shouldn't put Hanma at subsonic speed.
Eh that might not work since when Mikey got serious he absolutely stomped Hanma and basically blitzed him with his attacks
Pretty sure it was accepted before but I agree with this.
This on its own isn’t enough for subsonic speed and I don’t think we should scale him to Mikey either
He took the bullets without being able to be seen so that definitely should be enough for at least subsonic.
?? It actually is he moves FTE, blocks takemitchy from gunfire and knocks the guy out all in one go that's definitely at least subsonic
At that time the Draken was shown to come suddenly or from a blind spot, which is something different when the character starts moving instead of the blind spot. Like Ogeee Blue he was initially seen in front of Ran then with a FTE move he was suddenly behind Ran
You agree with fear manip??? When its clearly social influencing...
That's not social influencing...
From the looks of it it looks like an aura but yeah it could qualify for social influencing
eh the aura manip looks more like artistic liberty to show his bloodlust which is corroborated by the story, but yeah it should be social influencing
Aren't Auras supernatural means?
It doesn't matter were he came from but what matters is that no one was able to see him.
the "auras" are infinitely more likely to just be artistic liberty rather than....supernatural abilities in a verse mainly grounded in reality (barring time travel). Especially when its just bloodlust basically.
So you are telling me that Kakucho just randomly started feeling fear right when Mikey's aura was shown even tho they have been standing there like that for a chapter?
It represents the fact that Mikey who was presented as empty and cold who wasn't fighting, suddenly started to emit out a sense of bloodlust....
With his aura, yes.
no his composure, his body movement, his demeanour and the physical differences from a still husk to a cold blooded killer did.
id argue that Mikey's composure shift is the reason it'd be social influencing. It isn't the fact he looks at Kakucho that scares him, but rather the fact he went from a lifeless husk, to emanating bloodlust/dark impulses.
Emanating bloodlust/dark impulses would happen with body posture and language as well as facial expression and the tone of the voice. Can we consider these as reasonable explanations for the degree of fear caused? It doesn't seem like something that is tied to Mikey's reputation or social skills.
I don't see why it wouldn't? Because VSBW explicitly states it should be:
Agreed
The scene doesn’t portray that draken speed was FTE movement. Not one thug stated he moved FTE and takemichi eyes were closed so a subsonic rating just off that is iffy imo. Now if we scaled draken to subsonic by scaling or by a calc sure I’m not arguing against draken being that fast my issue is with the justification.
It doesn't seem to be authority since this wasn't the case prior to the "darkness" despite the fact that the characters should have been aware of his reputation. He isn't demonstrating strength, so that isn't it either and I'm pretty sure that simply intimidating someone with your strength doesn't count as Social Influencing since pretty much everyone who is much stronger than others could technically do that and being awed by a feat of strength is quite common in fiction. I'm also quite sure that an angry glare wouldn't qualify either since simply scaring someone with how angry you are is in most cases not something you consciously intend to do and wouldn't be something that you could reliably do since it's dependent on your emotional state. Social Influencing itself requires a great deal of skill at manipulating other people that is clearly above that of normal people and a single instance that happened due to a surge of strong emotions shouldn't be enough as justification for that as far as I'm aware. Mikey already has Social Influencing for other reasons, so this isn't going to affect if he has or has not the ability either way. That being said, I wouldn't support adding that as an additional justification for it.
Everyone from that group seems very surprised and the shooter didn't have time to react to Draken either.
No offence, but please break off your paragraph into chunks next time, it makes it alot easier on the eyes (and to read).
Sorry but that doesn’t change my opinion on the matter. It still isn’t clear that he moved FTE.
"It doesn't seem to be authority since this wasn't the case prior to the "darkness" despite the fact that the characters should have been aware of his reputation. He isn't demonstrating strength, so that isn't it either and I'm pretty sure that simply intimidating someone with your strength doesn't count as Social Influencing since pretty much everyone who is much stronger than others could technically do that and being awed by a feat of strength is quite common in fiction.
I was referring to the glance he directed at Senju. She got scared the moment that happened. Anyone can make other people scared with their demeanor under the right circumstances but I would only give those who can reliably pull this off Social Influencing. As such I'm not denying that a certain demeanor can qualify for Social Influencing but the person's ability to influence other people with said demeanor needs to be notable.
I honestly care far more about the Social Influencing classification than the Aura or the Fear Manipulation. If there is context that invalidates the idea of Mikey having these abilities, then I'm not against that. I'm quite positive though that the case with Senju absolutely doesn't qualify for Social Influencing and that the case with Kakucho most likely doesn't qualify either.
So inconsistensy is the reason it can't be scaled? If so that's fine ig
I guess you could word it like that though I myself didn't think of it like that. My idea of Social Influencing is just that the person is inherently good at manipulating other people which means that it is an inherent skill of theirs that isn't tied to special circumstances. It can be intentional or unintentional but it should be part of how they interact with others.
