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Arnoldstone are you voting for Tatsumaki ?
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Tier High 6-A The Battle of the Beast Tournament (2023): Tatsumaki vs Yami Ichika
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Ohk so then she just gets speed blitzed by Zetten doesn't she? It's a whopping 20x speed Amp.. the aura does help Tats here, but there's only so much that it can do against something 2.2x stronger and 20x faster:skull:
Yes Saman is correct. Inverse one shots are only used for upscale chains and it cannot pass a specific value of the opponent.
I'll vote Ichika fra then - I still haven't seen Tats wincon? I'm just seeing TK which is moot with the durability and lifting strength advantage Ichi has - and Aura can only do so much lol
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Ichika FRA
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And let me just mention that im seeing a lot of NLF coming from the Tats side. I'm seeing people assume that because Tatsumaki has barriers, she is suddenly invincible as if barriers can't be broken. Ichika is demonstrably stronger and has a massive attack speed advantage - before Tatsumaki can even react Ichika has already thrown like 20x Zetten at her barrier/neck lol.
Upscaling is an unknown amount than Tats' value. Nothing more.
Upscaling is an unknown amount than Tats' value. Nothing more.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Is unknown amp but in verse she blitz everyone
The point is the same, she blitzes
I will vote for Ichika but because I want inconclusive to do a coin flip
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I'm almost certain it is?
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If argument from them is TK against someone stronger in AP and LS, does that mean the votes should be invalidated?
Kazuma_kuwabara
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I am not gonna ignored Tatsumaki arguments
Also, the distance is 4KM and Ichika "flies" at MHS+ speeds, so probably Tatsumaki can do certain defense options but I am not gonna argue about this
In verse should be, but the CTR was "far higher with zetten"
I don´t know if the CTR continued, but for now is "far higher", just following the pages
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IN MY OPINION, yes. If that's THE ONLY wincon that the Tats side has then yes because Ichika quite literally scales higher than her value in AP and LS lmfao..
Like this isn't even hidden knowledge it's quite literally how it is
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Yeah its far higher cuz her ftl+ rating x 20 is still in ftl+
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Only telling you that arnold edited the thread later, so I missed the x20 in speed, you were right
Epsilon_R
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The distance is 40 meters, not 4 kms
And the CRT is currently applying the things so it'll most likely be accepted soon
Regardless the distance is way too close
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DEMON
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Kazuma_kuwabara
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Check the CRT again…
Smh… why do I even have to go through this again. Our speed scaling literally allows for this it will be “far higher” regardless since we are already on the last speed tier
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You're late arnold
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Tats after a few seconds of fighting:
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well thank you @Nierre
Literally couldn’t do it alone regardless of how much development being made.
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Remind me of Tats' wincons and counters to Ichika's, I might reconsider my vote
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Same
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she massively upscales from her value, it makes you look incredibly dumb to say that tatsumaki being able to put orochi's durability into a blender two times over wouldn't be enough to treat her as being superior to someone only twice as strong as her value
in case you weren't aware, a guy who is only two times stronger than you isn't really capable of grinding you into literal paste
tatsumaki has a huge AP advantage
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That's just copium from you
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get an argument
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While that's true, that's not how we treat the ap in vs matches, if You wanna tats to be over 2 times orochi value, cool do revision
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Uhh well
Ichika extremeley skilled, 20 times faster with zetten, stronger going by Profiles
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Aaaand nevermind lol
You aren't allowed to use in verse one shots to upscale above your opponents AP. Because that means that you're saying that Tat's AP is inherently wrong and in that case you should go make a CRT about it. You can't just make an arbitrary argument saying "well she should at least be 2.2x stronger than her value because..."
And You know that you cant. Because in a CRT you'd be rejected. That's not how it works in CRTs and definitely not in VS matches.
She's unquantifiably higher than her own value and that's it
If that's ur only argument then I'm keeping my vote lol
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no, that is actually exactly how we treat upscaling in vs matches
if someone upscales from their AP value then we can roughly estimate what range of AP they should be more similar to when in vs threads. For example, people often make 8-B Jotaro matches despite him just massively upscaling from high 8-C
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Exactly^
Because it's accepted that he upscale to 8-B from High 8-C. It ISNT accepted that Tats randomly upscale to 2.2x her ap because of this match lol. If you want her to upscale to the next tier like Jotaro then make a crt
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the way it's done like this is to prevent stupid situations like this
like if someone upscales 50 one shots above one megaton and another character scales to 1.1 megatons, the character with the scaling chain would be deemed far superior in the vs thread
in this stupid situation, you are claiming that being able to grind someone into paste that scales above being able to explode orochi into pieces doesn't warrant tatsumaki being stronger than someone 2.2 times above the high 6-A value
of course, I should not need to explain why you are being stupid when you say this.
like if someone upscales 50 one shots above one megaton and another character scales to 1.1 megatons, the character with the scaling chain would be deemed far superior in the vs thread
in this stupid situation, you are claiming that being able to grind someone into paste that scales above being able to explode orochi into pieces doesn't warrant tatsumaki being stronger than someone 2.2 times above the high 6-A value
of course, I should not need to explain why you are being stupid when you say this.
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On Jotaro's profile it just says he upscales alot from high 8-C though
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that is 100% how it works in vs matches, which is the entire point of why "at least" and "far higher" matter
you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Too bad that's not how VsB works. If you disagree with the ratings, make a CRT to reflect on the profile.
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