The Whitebeard Pirates and Red Haired Pirates Arrive together at Marineford

[AcsLìone]

The Whitebeard Pirates and Red Haired Pirates show up at Marineford in order to safe Ace .

- Whitebeard Joins mid battle like in the MFA

- Squard temporarily betrays Whitebeard

- Luffy and Company show up just like in MFA

- Blackbeard does not arrive since he did not want to risk fighting against The Red Hair Pirates

- Mihawk does not participate in either side of the battle

- Kaido does not appear

Main Objective: To Rescue Ace Possible Objective: Taking out the Navy

Will these two powerful yonko groups be able to succeed in their objective?

 

[The_Calaca]

They would clean the battlefield.

Shirohige would reject the help at first, but he asked Buggy for help since he was commanding the Impel Down prisoners and they could have been helpful in the fight. He'd not team up with Shanks against the Top Dogs, but 2 Yonko on the same place is definitely a threat the marines can't take on since one of them was too much for the 3 Admirals in the end.

 

[AcsLìone]

They would clean the battlefield.
Shirohige would reject the help at first, but he asked Buggy for help since he was commanding the Impel Down prisoners and they could have been helpful in the fight. He'd not team up with Shanks against the Top Dogs, but 2 Yonko on the same place is definitely a threat the marines can't take on since one of them was too much for the 3 Admirals in the end.

Akainu got two shot by Whitebeard however he did get up to fight against Marco, Vista and 10 more capable fighters, so i assume the admirals will not get defeated easily.

 

[The_Calaca]

Shirohige wouldn't get as injured as he did in canon if there are another Yonko in the scene.

If we consider people like Beckmann, Roux and Yasopp YC Tier, the Admirals wouldn't have enough time to put them on the offensive against Shirohige, and Shanks is a factor here.

 

[AcsLìone]

However the Admirals, during the Canon Arc, were far above Jozu, Ace and Vista. Eventho Jozu was stated in his vivre card to have one of the highest attack powers.

 

[The_Calaca]

The VC doesn't say that about Jozu.

Maybe you're talking about Sakazuki.

Regardless of that, the Commanders were able to fight with the Admirals. More Commanders would put them on a hard situation, especially when two Commanders fought.

Now we have 2 Yonko, 6 Yonko Commanders (Marco, Jozu, Vista, Yasopp, Lucky and Beckmann) against 3 Admirals (assuming the war progress as in canon).

And Mihawk isn't fighting here, so Vista isn't stopping him, meaning he can go and fight an Admiral. It's a 8 vs 3 when a single Yonko, half-dead, sick and old, dispatched one of them, and both Marco and Jozu were caught off guard (and even then, this didn't took Marco out of the fight).

The Marines would need to add Sengoku and Garp to the battlefield, but that would leave the platform unprotected.

The pirates take this hands down. They might lose one or two main fighters, but 3 Admirals, Garp and Sengoku can't hold all of this power by themselves.

 

[Eminiteable]

Wouldn't Kaido come in then? Shanks wouldn't have time to stop him so Kaido comes in near the end and sweeps house.

 

[Dr.Fix]

Im & the Goresei would have to intervene.

 

[Eminiteable]

Yeah they'd be like "damn let's get in there" and the threaten shanks by removing that Yonko status he's been working for so long, but yeah if shanks comes in no matter what happens with the marines all sides gonna not be in top form and Kaido gonna come in at the end to Boro breath granting him the W.

 

[AcsLìone]

Yeah they'd be like "damn let's get in there" and the threaten shanks by removing that Yonko status he's been working for so long, but yeah if shanks comes in no matter what happens with the marines all sides gonna not be in top form and Kaido gonna come in at the end to Boro breath granting him the W.

The Gorosei Do not decide who's Yonko and who's not.

 

[AcsLìone]

I'll edit it, to that the beast pirates won't come

 

[AcsLìone]

The VC doesn't say that about Jozu.
Maybe you're talking about Sakazuki.

Regardless of that, the Commanders were able to fight with the Admirals. More Commanders would put them on a hard situation, especially when two Commanders fought.

Now we have 2 Yonko, 6 Yonko Commanders (Marco, Jozu, Vista, Yasopp, Lucky and Beckmann) against 3 Admirals (assuming the war progress as in canon).

And Mihawk isn't fighting here, so Vista isn't stopping him, meaning he can go and fight an Admiral. It's a 8 vs 3 when a single Yonko, half-dead, sick and old, dispatched one of them, and both Marco and Jozu were caught off guard (and even then, this didn't took Marco out of the fight).

The Marines would need to add Sengoku and Garp to the battlefield, but that would leave the platform unprotected.

The pirates take this hands down. They might lose one or two main fighters, but 3 Admirals, Garp and Sengoku can't hold all of this power by themselves.

Jozu Millenium Vivre Card


This is a translation of the Vivre Card from Milleniumforums, Artur's Translations tend to have his own opinion mixed into the translation. Here it says he is the Ultimate shield and has an attack power that is unrivaled

 

[The_Calaca]

Same is said for Akainu's Magu Magu, possessing the highest AP between all fruits.

So one of the statements is an hyperbole. And considering the Magu Magu has feats to back it up, Jozu's must be the hyperbole.

 

[AcsLìone]

Same is said for Akainu's Magu Magu, possessing the highest AP between all fruits.

So one of the statements is an hyperbole. And considering the Magu Magu has feats to back it up, Jozu's must be the hyperbole.

Not really, when you keep in mind that a simple shoulder bash made Aokiji already bleed whilst being kicked by Marco didn't do anything. It really makes me think he has the highest AP physical strength wise

 

[AcsLìone]

Also Jozu got taken out after being distracted and it's not like Whitebeard will not get any of his "Heart Attacks"

 

[The_Calaca]

Aokiji got caught off guard while Kizaru blocked the kick.

 

[AcsLìone]

I meant Aokiji got kicked as well, who was caught off guard as well and btw I wouldn't say it was off guard, Aokiji was about to attack Whitebeard so how off guard can you possibly be

 

[Dr.Fix]

Equating a kick to the mid section AFTER breaking a sabre to kicking a arm on guard or to a tackle on the unprotected jaw/lip is fundamentally wrong.

 

[Scoobie33]

The main objective of rescuing Ace is definitely possible because of too many interferences for the Admirals but the possible objective is impossible to achieve for the pirates.

Marine HQ + Shichibukai = 4 Emperors and not only 2 Emperors.

If the pirates go for the 2nd objective and try to bring Marineford down the Admirals won't hold back anymore like they did in the summit war. That time they would use awakening and AOE everyone down.

 

[Purgy]

If they grab Ace and just leave then they can do it. If they intend to destroy the Marines then they lose.

 

[The_Calaca]

The pirates have no reason to just obliterate the Marine, but even if they do, they'd surely destroy a majority of them in the process.

If they manage to rescue Ace and put him safe, then the powerhouses would just sink the island in such case, killing most DF users and a lot of low rank marines that can't help themselves against the destruction.

Shirohige would stay to die there as that was his original purpose, but that's on him.