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Sanji 1v1s the Fleet Admiral
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I'm voting Sanji.
He has superior endurance and stamina, his heat resistance scales above Akainu's, his heat scales above Akainu's, his speed scales far above Akainu's.
Akainu's only bet is his devil fruit's AP, which is easily countered by Sanji speed. Akainu has no feasable wincon in an actual battle.
He has superior endurance and stamina, his heat resistance scales above Akainu's, his heat scales above Akainu's, his speed scales far above Akainu's.
Akainu's only bet is his devil fruit's AP, which is easily countered by Sanji speed. Akainu has no feasable wincon in an actual battle.
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And before the haki goons come rushing in, Akainu has no haki layer feats, so Sanji scales higher in terms of that, and Akainu's advanced buso isn't in charcter for him to use, as he had a fight with a whole ass Yonko and he wasn't seen using it once.
Sanji blitzes, combos, and hakis Akainu away.
Sanji blitzes, combos, and hakis Akainu away.
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Sakazuki had his insides shattered by Whitebeard TWICE and kept fighting, I ain't sure bout that one chief
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Big whoop.
Sanji had his insides completely ruptured by Kuroobi and kept going like nothing happened.
Sanji got stabbed through the chest, got hit by Gum Gum Gattling by Oars, got knocked around by Oars, got his leg fractured, took an Ursus shock, and kept going.
Sanji got his shoulder impaled by Bon Clay, broke a few bones, and kept going.
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This all sounds like shit below Whitebeard literally shattering his insides TBH, bones broken, woo, I'm pretty sure Whitebeard ****** his organs and at least shattered his left side ribs.
Oh and he also fought a 10-day battle against his equal like the next day
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Well you're wrong.
"like the next day" based on?
Sanji spent months running for his life against the Okamas while simultaneously fighting against the 99 Newkama Kenpo Masters, who were each comparable to (with some being outright stronger) than Sanji.
Again, Sanji has better endurance and stamina than Akainu.
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1: Akainu should have higher AP due to fighting an angered/determined Marco, and keep in mind Marco was easily keeping up with Queen and injuring him and King. He also clashed with BM, King, and Kaidou's Bolo Breath.
2: He should also have more speed for said previous fight, and it's implied that he eventually grew stronger/faster than Kuzan after 10 days of them being relative. Though Sanji DOES have speed amps, that shouldn't be ignored.
3: Also that battle with Kuzan should easily give him the stamina advantage, only time we ever saw 2 people relative/comparable in every stat fight each other for so long is Big Mom and Kaidou's 3 day fight.
4: His magma should be hotter than Sanji's fire via melting a hole through the user of the Mera Mera no Mi, perforating Sickbeard, etc.
2: He should also have more speed for said previous fight, and it's implied that he eventually grew stronger/faster than Kuzan after 10 days of them being relative. Though Sanji DOES have speed amps, that shouldn't be ignored.
3: Also that battle with Kuzan should easily give him the stamina advantage, only time we ever saw 2 people relative/comparable in every stat fight each other for so long is Big Mom and Kaidou's 3 day fight.
4: His magma should be hotter than Sanji's fire via melting a hole through the user of the Mera Mera no Mi, perforating Sickbeard, etc.
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No one said otherwise. His devil fruit was literally stated to have the highest offensive power out of all Devil Fruits.
Uh, no. That's not how it works. All the characters you listed above are slower than Sanji.
Read above.
Not how it works?
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And this will be a bad fight for Sanji because, get this, he can not regen if his organs/bones are fried to oblivion.
Even IF they were, it's definitely not by a large enough margin to point out.
And yet, Akainu scales to all of them just for keeping up with Marco. Kind of how scaling chains work, after all.
He was able to do that because of his superiority to fire. He reasonably scales above most fire users.
Technically a concession then.
Pretty sure Marco, King ( who he fought ), and others aren't slower than Sanji.
Even IF they were, it's definitely not by a large enough margin to point out.
And yet, Akainu scales to all of them just for keeping up with Marco. Kind of how scaling chains work, after all.
We don't even know if they had the intent of KILLING him, they were just after Sanji because they're admittedly psychotic creeps who wanted to groom him into becoming one of them ( which btw, I'm not trashing LGBT people, I'm trashing the Okamas because they were turned into absolute douchebag weirdos by Oda ). And Sanji was also still getting sleep, still getting food, etc. Just not a lot of it. That's not even comparable to someone fighting with the intent of killing or knocking out each other for a new role in the Navy, unless you think they just sat down to have tea and talk about their lives in the middle of a 10 day death match?
I guarantee you Sanji's fire wouldn't affect Ace/Sabo especially not the way Akainu did.
He was able to do that because of his superiority to fire. He reasonably scales above most fire users.
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How is it a concession when I never refuted that to begin with? What are you on about?
Assuming Akainu can even burn him?
They are. Marco in Hybrid could be perceived by Base Queen while Sanji was able to move faster Hybrid Queen could see in Diable Jambe, Superspeed, Ifrit Jambe, and Diable Jambe + Superspeed.
Sanji is faster than Flame On King (the version of King that Marco fought), as even pre-upgrade Sanji could clash and react to both that version of him and Flame Off King.
How is the relevant?
How is this relevant?
Based on?
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No shot you're watching me refute your points via telling you that Sanji was not spending all of those days just fighting and was actually getting some sleep and food, and you say " that's not relevant ".
It's completely relevant. Switching between fighting, sleeping, and eating throughout the course of multiple days is not the same as purely fighting someone who's practically equal to you and has the intent of either knocking you out or murdering you for 10 days.
It's completely relevant. Switching between fighting, sleeping, and eating throughout the course of multiple days is not the same as purely fighting someone who's practically equal to you and has the intent of either knocking you out or murdering you for 10 days.
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I don't know, rupturing organs just sounds below having your organs shattered like glass. Apparently that's just me tho
Let's take a timeline.
Marineford battle ends. Sengoku goes to what's his face to resign. that same dude picks Akainu to replace Sengoku as Fleet Admiral. That's announced. Kuzan challenges Akainu.
Sengoku seems to have resigned during nightfall, and Marineford happened in mid-day most likely, and since we know Marines are active at night, its either an hour or when morning came that Sakazuki was announced as Fleet Admiral, and I don't think Kuzan dragged his feet when he went to fight Akainu
It means he got to do things both Akainu and Kuzan didn't have the luxury of during their fight
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Organs don't work like that. They would have been ruptured just like Sanji's were.
You're acting as if Sanji didn't spend ~70 days awake, starving as a child. I don't see how this paired with what I said above is less impressive than fighting a near-equal for 3 days and winning.
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I think Akainu wins
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Whitebeard makes Organs act like that lol
He got some form of sleep, food, and water. Sounds like less then fighting your near equal for 10 days, sustaining injuries, and winning. After getting your ass ****** up by Whitebeard using his DF of all people.
Oh yeah, sorry, thanks for the reminder
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Proof..?
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Give me a bit(like a day), I might be speaking from shit but I coulda sworn it got stated in Marineford
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That isn't a reason unfortunately.
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Yeah I gotta agree with Kachon here, just saying "It doesn't make sense" don't cut it
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Spoiler alert: It wasn't
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The Gura Gura no Mi sends shockaves through any medium. When it hit Akainu, it sent powerful shockwaves through Akainu's body.
If that were to happen, the results would be shattered bones (something Sanji has been through many times), ruptured organs (something Sanji has been through many times).
If that were to happen, the results would be shattered bones (something Sanji has been through many times), ruptured organs (something Sanji has been through many times).
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Actually, it'd turn the organs to mush when it comes to shockwaves as strong as Whitebeard's so...
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Funny thing is we literally see Ace's fire get overpowered by Akainu's and if someone who is the definition of Flame Manip can't burn Akainu or stop his magma I can't see Sanji doing much.
And his fire resistance is negated by Akainu having superior Haki.
And his fire resistance is negated by Akainu having superior Haki.
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What?
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Better flame manipulation ≠ Hotter flames.
Using Ace's performance against Akainu as a reason for as to why Sanji would get burned by him does not work at all.
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Around 190 Decibels(Soundwaves, a similar thing to shockwaves) is enough to rupture organs. And that's tier 10 shockwaves.
Whitebeard's are tier 6.
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It's not just better, it's outright hotter. Why do you think Ace got burned? Lol.
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Yeah, I know that. Sanji's organs were literally hit by something that can do this.
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And what tier was that, by the way?
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Again, using Ace getting burned to prove your point of Sanji getting burned does not work, as Sanji's flames are much hotter than Ace's
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Lol he's comparing a reject dial to the literal quake fruit.
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And Ace is immune to his flames.. It's the Flame Flame fruit.. It gives you a resistance to your properties like all other Logias.
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The tier doesn't matter.
The point is that for both of them, their organs were destroyed.
If Normal Person A was vaporized by a 5-A attack and Normal Person B was vaporized by a 3-C attack, they both got vaporized. Neither is more impressive than the other.
Since both Akainu and Sanji's organs were destroyed, what's important now is disection how they dealt with said destruction and how they fought and acted moving forward to determine who did better.
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Sanji's flames are hotter than Ace's. How is this relevant. Stop bringing up Ace.
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In this case it does, cause Akainu's insides were made super-dead
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And Sanji's weren't?
I'm not sure if this post was you trying to make a joke or not, because you didn't even say any useful information. You didn't refute any point I made.
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