2 Admirals face off against the Pirate King!!!!

[Darkvie123]

Gol D. Roger vs Sakazuki & Kizaru who takes the win & why?


Roger lets just say is being reincarnated and wants to take revenge for his son but he's not bloodlusted. He heads off to New Marineford and flexes his Conquerors Haki. Kizaru and Sakazuki sense him and are shocked and dont believe he's back. Even tho they dont have knowledge on how he fights they are surprised by his Haki flexing. Kizaru asks Sakazuki if he should handle that on his own. Sakazuki answers him that he couldn't even take down Luffy and that he shouldn't overestimate himself. Sakazuki then says we are both gonna handle him together Borsalino like the old good days!!


Location: New Marineford
No Prep
No Outside Help
Starting Distance: 50 Meters
Bloodlust: Off
They are In-Character

Gol D. Roger

"Gold" Roger, real name Gol D. Roger, was a legendary pirate who lived twenty-two years ago. As a member of the Family of D bloodline, Roger conquered the Grand Line, while amassing a vast fortune, as he became known as the King of the Pirates. But Roger knew that he would soon die from an...

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Sakazuki (Akainu)

Do not allow a single man to run! Destroy all evil!Sakazuki Real name Sakazuki, Akainu is a Fleet Admiral, the head of the Marine force of World Government. Akainu is apparently the most hardline of the Marines, following the doctrine of Absolute Justice. During the destruction of Ohara, he...

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Borsalino (Kizaru)

Speed is… ‘weight’. Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?Borsalino to Basil Hawkins Real name Borsalino, Kizaru is the only pre-timeskip Admiral to have retained his position after the timeskip, after Akainu was promoted and Aokiji left. He has somewhat of an absentminded and...

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[The_one_you_least_expect]

Well Kizaru got layed out with one hit by gear 5 sooooo….. and we don’t really know how strong akianu got post time skip so I’ll go with roger for now

 

[noninho]

yeah, WB mollywapped Akainu while dying of cancer and the only thing we got for sure he's grown is ...a beard.
and i don't think Kizaru would put that much of a fight (let's remember Marco was sorta dealing with him until he got kairoseki'd, and as previously mentioned, luffy g5 was/is dealing fine with him)

 

[SlendVeny]

Current Akainu >= Current Kizaru, but so was Kuzan when he fought Old Garp, and the old guy would have drained him dry in a pure 1v1.

 

[noninho]

Gol D. Roger vs Sakazuki & Kizaru who takes the win & why?


Roger lets just say is being reincarnated and wants to take revenge for his son but he's not bloodlusted. He heads off to New Marineford and flexes his Conquerors Haki. Kizaru and Sakazuki sense him and are shocked and dont believe he's back. Even tho they dont have knowledge on how he fights they are surprised by his Haki flexing. Kizaru asks Sakazuki if he should handle that on his own. Sakazuki answers him that he couldn't even take down Luffy and that he shouldn't overestimate himself. Sakazuki then says we are both gonna handle him together Borsalino like the old good days!!


Location: New Marineford
No Prep
No Outside Help
Starting Distance: 50 Meters
Bloodlust: Off
They are In-Character

Gol D. Roger

"Gold" Roger, real name Gol D. Roger, was a legendary pirate who lived twenty-two years ago. As a member of the Family of D bloodline, Roger conquered the Grand Line, while amassing a vast fortune, as he became known as the King of the Pirates. But Roger knew that he would soon die from an...

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Sakazuki (Akainu)

Do not allow a single man to run! Destroy all evil!Sakazuki Real name Sakazuki, Akainu is a Fleet Admiral, the head of the Marine force of World Government. Akainu is apparently the most hardline of the Marines, following the doctrine of Absolute Justice. During the destruction of Ohara, he...

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Borsalino (Kizaru)

Speed is… ‘weight’. Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?Borsalino to Basil Hawkins Real name Borsalino, Kizaru is the only pre-timeskip Admiral to have retained his position after the timeskip, after Akainu was promoted and Aokiji left. He has somewhat of an absentminded and...

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oh yeah, just a reminder: don't use # tags, ant said it makes the wiki less organized

 

[Darkvie123]

oh yeah, just a reminder: don't use # tags, ant said it makes the wiki less organized

Oh i see

 

[Darkvie123]

Current Akainu >= Current Kizaru, but so was Kuzan when he fought Old Garp, and the old guy would have drained him dry in a pure 1v1.

Kuzan was holding back

 

[Greatsage13th]

Kuzan was holding back

Nah

 

[Darkvie123]

Nah

Ye. Garp told him to not be soft

 

[SlendVeny]

Ye. Garp told him to not be soft

That was at the start of the fight, Garp was calling him weak.

 

[noninho]

This could be a nice thread here btw
But we shouldn't derail more

 

[Darkvie123]

Roger advantages:
Superior Haki
Swordsmanship
Anything else?
AP with ACoC Amp

Admirals Advantages:
Range
Danmaku Spam
Dura Neg
Speed advantage with Kizaru's Acceleration

 

[DaReaperMan]

Roger advantages:
Anything else?

Every ******* stat WITHOUT utilizing Haki

 

[noninho]

Superior Haki

if so, here's a quick reminder:
range is absolutely fine because superior kenbunshoku
danmaku negated via superior kenbunshoku+busoshoku
duraneg is negated via superior kenbunshoku+busoshoku+haoshoku (edit: duranegneg lmao)
kizaru's acceleration negated via superior kenbunshoku+negating his kenbunshoku with superior haoshoku

also, they're nerfed by haoshoku because who don't pass out for it, gets a headache lol

drink game idea: have a shot of anything for every time "-shoku" suffix is said lmfao

 

[SlendVeny]

A minor factor is that Roger has a better effective melee range. He's huge, and has a big sword.

 

[noninho]

A minor factor is that Roger has a better effective melee range. He's huge, and has a big sword.

iirc, on Roger's fight against Primebeard, i remember him not being thaaaat smaller in comparison to when Sakazuki fought Oldbeard

 

[SlendVeny]

iirc, on Roger's fight against Primebeard, i remember him not being thaaaat smaller in comparison to when Sakazuki fought Oldbeard

He's canonically 9 feet tall.

 

[SlendVeny]

Wait, nvm, Akainu's apparently taller.

 

[noninho]

Wait, nvm, Akainu's apparently taller.

?
if so, why is sakazuki only with a mention on his Body Control...

Body Control (Capable of changing the size and shape of his logia-form to some degree)

...while Roger is mentioned an specific data...

Large Size (Type 0; 2.74 m tall)

...?

also, just remembered Gol scales to Primebeard in LS while Sakazuki's scales to Oldbeard
this matters too on why Gol would humiliate them

 

[SlendVeny]

?
if so, why is sakazuki only with a mention on his Body Control...

...while Roger is mentioned an specific data...

Idk, Akainu is canonically over 3 meters tall.

also, just remembered Gol scales to Primebeard in LS while Sakazuki's scales to Oldbeard

*sickbeard.

 

[noninho]

source? also why was Oldbeard towering him?

Idk, Akainu is canonically over 3 meters tall.

 

[SlendVeny]

source?

Vivre Card iirc

also why was Oldbeard towering him?

It was Sickbeard, and he's 21'10

 

[Ryuga21]

Akainu wins due being Pirate King faster than Roger did.

 

[SlendVeny]

Akainu wins due being Pirate King faster than Roger did.

That isn't what that statement meant, and Roger got the One Piece in his first voyage for it, when he had roughly a year or two to live.

 

[Ryuga21]

What can Roger do against Akainu If he starts spamming volcanoes like he did in Punk Hazard to turn the island in his favor?

Roger may have a more than advanced Haki in Buso but Akainu has the most offensive power among the DF, if Roger were caught by a Meigo in the head it would be fatal, as he is not the monster as WB is in endurance. Akainu has superior stamina, as he fought for 10 days with intent-on-killing Aokiji while Roger only fought Whitebeard for 3 days. Roger should not have any advantage in experience, since Akainu has been a marine since he was young and was fighting at the same time as Roger was a pirate, until he became an fleet admiral (He is still alive today and continues to be active in combat as well). Roger is surpassed in range by any admiral, especially Kizaru would be extremely difficult to hit, since even Luffy in Gear 5 was only able to land a hit on him when distracted. Anyway, Akainu would win alone, with Kizaru it's even easier.

 

[Ryuga21]

That isn't what that statement meant, and Roger got the One Piece in his first voyage for it, when he had roughly a year or two to live.

It means he would defeat the 4 Yonkous and the Admirals in one year. Meaning he would gather the Road Poneglyph in a mere year, a feat no character has ever achieved.

 

[Dodecatrihan]

Even with Roger being indisputably HIM, getting 2v1'd by dudes pretty close to your level (esp. with Kizaru's bag of devil fruit tricks) isn't gonna go well. My money's on the admirals (but it'd still be hard for them.)

 

[SlendVeny]

It means he would defeat the 4 Yonkous and the Admirals in one year. Meaning he would gather the Road Poneglyph in a mere year, a feat no character has ever achieved.

No it doesn't, he said the series would end in a year. For all we know, that could mean Mihawk kills him in the Baratie arc.

 

[noninho]

What can Roger do against Akainu If he starts spamming volcanoes like he did in Punk Hazard to turn the island in his favor?

Haki.

Akainu has the most offensive power among the DF

Which gets negged by Busoshoku and Kenbunshoku

if Roger were caught by a Meigo in the head it would be fatal, as he is not the monster as WB is in endurance.

Yeah but it won't via Gol not being sick and being able to use Kenbunshoku and Busoshoku properly

Akainu has superior stamina, as he fought for 10 days with intent-on-killing Aokiji while Roger only fought Whitebeard for 3 days.

That's fair, but I'm really in favor that Gol will kill (at least Akainu) in way less than that

Roger should not have any advantage in experience, since Akainu has been a marine since he was young and was fighting at the same time as Roger was a pirate, until he became an fleet admiral (He is still alive today and continues to be active in combat as well).

Post-TS Akainu is only 2y more than Gol was when he died and in those 2y of the TS there are no mentions of fighting anyone or anything other than Aokiji, that's not a good enough point. He may be more trained, via Marines actually being trained but we know that Marine's train kinda sucks for the most (CPs, Vice-Admirals and above are the only that can pull some sort of a fight) and people on the higher ranks doesn't usually train (there was no panel showing Sakazuki doing anything beyond being in/close his office smoking a cigar and shouting at someone eventually).
That's why i don't actually believe this as a point

Roger is surpassed in range by any admiral, especially Kizaru would be extremely difficult to hit, since even Luffy in Gear 5 was only able to land a hit on him when distracted.

Won't matter too much cuz Roger is more experienced than g5 luffy (like WAAAAAAY much) and has better Kenbunshoku too

 

[noninho]

No it doesn't, he said the series would end in a year. For all we know, that could mean Mihawk kills him in the Baratie arc.

Nice to remember that point, yes

 

[SlendVeny]

Can't wait until it's revealed that Roger had Mega-giga-super Haki and could oneshot the planet.

 

[Ryuga21]

Yeah but it won't via Gol not being sick and being able to use Kenbunshoku and Busoshoku properly

His health doesn't matter, a well applied Meigo would be lethal anyway, meigo is also speed boost.

Post-TS Akainu is only 2y more than Gol was when he died and in those 2y of the TS there are no mentions of fighting anyone or anything other than Aokiji, that's not a good enough point.

The marines are constantly on missions, soon after the Marineford War ended Akainu went alone to face Blackbeard and was confident of defeating him. Do you really think Akainu sat in his armchair for two years smoking cigarettes? He was personally executing Kuma recently, he is a man of war who likes exterminating pirates.

Won't matter too much cuz Roger is more experienced than g5 luffy (like WAAAAAAY much) and has better Kenbunshoku too

He doesn't have better kenbunshoku than Luffy's. He's also not superior to G5 Luffy physically. Experience counts for nothing here, Kizaru is a big shot and faced current Rayleigh, who is more experienced than Roger by logical necessity.

No it doesn't, he said the series would end in a year. For all we know, that could mean Mihawk kills him in the Baratie arc.

One Piece didn't end in Wano after Luffy's death, we know that the series will end when Luffy becomes the Pirate King. Oda meant that Akainu is so strong that he would have accomplished all of Luffy's feats, until his final journey within a year.

 

[noninho]

His health doesn't matter, a well applied Meigo would be lethal anyway, meigo is also speed boost

Yes
But kenbunshoku+busoshoku...

The marines are constantly on missions, soon after the Marineford War ended Akainu went alone to face Blackbeard and was confident of defeating him. Do you really think Akainu sat in his armchair for two years smoking cigarettes? He was personally executing Kuma recently, he is a man of war who likes exterminating pirates.

Geez, I don't remember that BB part at all. but anyway, most of the time, admirals are depicted doing...nothing except talking "oh s**t, that big thing's gonna happen and it works like this this and this one that's huge" (Gold Buddha is cool and all but I summarized 90% of the scenes he appear while and after he was on the same position as Sakazuki lol), so tbf it's not unbelievable that those 2 years he's above Gol in age weren't thaaaaat well spent, the main reason being why Garp refuses to be an Admiral anyway, cuz it limits what you'll be able to do in general

He doesn't have better kenbunshoku than Luffy's. He's also not superior to G5 Luffy physically.

Then it's my bad.

Kizaru is a big shot and faced current Rayleigh, who is more experienced than Roger by logical necessity.

"Faced" is kinda highballing Kizaru there, afaik Rayleigh didn't put much effort into that fight and a couple seconds later we've seen Kuma's BFR (if I'm not mixing right-before-ts and right-after-ts events)

One Piece didn't end in Wano after Luffy's death, we know that the series will end when Luffy becomes the Pirate King.

Sakazuki's goal is not 100% that one
His character circles around also hating Pirates.
It's not impossible to say that "in one year" could also not leave a good end for Sakazuki

Oda meant that Akainu is so strong that he would have accomplished all of Luffy's feats, until his final journey within a year.

Again, as he'd do things differently, he wouldn't have the same tripulation, for starters
So different things would happen to different persons (obviously)
Not 100% sure of what would Sakazuki's end be in that 1y period. As mentioned, could be Mihawk ending him, maybe BB, maybe WB on Marineford, maybe Smoker because he'd have no DEM of daddy save, maybe Thriller Bark with Moria's ultra busted shadow powers...and those are presuming some stuff remains the same...

 

[Ryuga21]

"Faced" is kinda highballing Kizaru there, afaik Rayleigh didn't put much effort into that fight and a couple seconds later we've seen Kuma's BFR (if I'm not mixing right-before-ts and right-after-ts events)

It doesn't make any difference, Rayleigh was panting in that quick confrontation, both tied.

kenbunshoku+busoshoku

We don't know Roger's Kenbun proficiency, but take into consideration this is a 2v1 and Roger's other opponent is possibly the fastest in the verse. Akainu has the highest AP among the DF, including the Gura Gura no Mi. Roger would need to release an immense amount of Haki to defend himself at the expense of his stamina. It might work at first, but Akainu might just spam it.

Again, as he'd do things differently, he wouldn't have the same tripulation, for starters
So different things would happen to different persons (obviously)
Not 100% sure of what would Sakazuki's end be in that 1y period. As mentioned, could be Mihawk ending him, maybe BB, maybe WB on Marineford, maybe Smoker because he'd have no DEM of daddy save, maybe Thriller Bark with Moria's ultra busted shadow powers...and those are presuming some stuff remains the same...

You are deluded, Oda clearly said that the series would end because the protagonist always achieves his goal. Oda does not end his works with the protagonist dead and failed. Even when Luffy (protagonist of One Piece) died against a Yonko, Oda narratively modified the plot to justify his return. So if your premise is that the series would end with Akainu dead, it is false because the mangaka's own narrative is not like that.

most of the time, admirals are depicted doing...nothing except talking "oh s**t, that big thing's gonna happen and it works like this this and this one that's huge" (Gold Buddha is cool and all but I summarized 90% of the scenes he appear while and after he was on the same position as Sakazuki lol), so tbf it's not unbelievable that those 2 years he's above Gol in age weren't thaaaaat well spent, the main reason being why Garp refuses to be an Admiral anyway, cuz it limits what you'll be able to do in general

You've got to be kidding... Admirals have missions and are constantly on missions, that's why Garp refuses to be an admiral, because he doesn't want to be a slave and lose his freedom. In almost each arc we see the admirals at work — Fujitora didn't even have time to recover from the fight against the revolutionaries (and Greenbull) and was directly sent on the mission to capture Boa Hancock. Aramaki left for Wano immediately after defeating Weevil and fighting against the Revolutionaries (and Fujitora) on the previous week. We see the same thing with Kizaru and everyone else. In fact, to be an fleet admiral you really need to have more capacity than the other admirals, so Akainu logically doesn't stand still. I wouldn't even need to explain this because he directly chose to kill Kuma instead of ordering someone to do it like Sengoku did with other characters.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Roger's Haki was sucked off by someone with nuts Haki so I'd throw it out there and say that chances are Roger would ******* body Here

Especially since Sickbeard nearly bodied Akainu, and let's just say, Sickbeard being below Roger is a ****** understatement lol

 

[SlendVeny]

One Piece didn't end in Wano after Luffy's death

Yeah, because he came back.

 

[noninho]

Yeah, because he came back.

Because of his fruit, yes
Imagine Akainu getting bodied by Kaido, what would happen?

 

[SlendVeny]

Because of his fruit, yes
Imagine Akainu getting bodied by Kaido, what would happen?

He would die and the series would end.

 

[Ryuga21]

He would die and the series would end.

You say that but Oda never ended a story with the protagonist dead. You say that but Oda's own quote says that the series would end because Akainu is too strong and not the other way around.

 

[Ryuga21]

Roger's Haki was sucked off by someone with nuts Haki so I'd throw it out there and say that chances are Roger would ******* body Here

Especially since Sickbeard nearly bodied Akainu, and let's just say, Sickbeard being below Roger is a ****** understatement lol

Akainu could have killed WB at Marineford easily, he spared Newgate's life in his first heart attack. And if you read the Manga instead of watching the Anime, you would know that WB only landed a hit on Akainu behind his back.

Akainu was also holding back heavily in that fight because he wanted to preserve Marineford and not destroy the island. In a 1v1 fight against WB in those conditions, in an isolated space, The strongest marine in history would win with mid-diff at most.