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Hey everybody, this thread is meant for the revising of Whitebeard and Blackbeard's ranges. Please do not discuss the Attack Potency tied to him having this specific range, as that is not the purpose of this thread.
Whitebeard and Blackbeard can effect the entirety of the One Piece planet with the Gura Gura no Mi via Earthquakes and Tsunamis.
Proofs:
1. Tsuru
Seeing Whitebeard's might, the Vice Admirals urged Tsuru to go back to the safety of the ice block. She responded saying that that even at the "very ends of the ocean, [there exists] no safe haven" to shield her from the effects of the Gura Gura no Mi. This holds particular significance because Tsuru belongs to the same era as Sengoku and Garp, having undergone training alongside them within the ranks of the Marines. Consequently, it is highly likely that she has a deeper understanding of the Gura Gura no Mi's capabilities than most, via her observations of Whitebeard's battles with Garp, Sengoku, and/or Roger.
2. Blackbeard
After consuming the Gura Gura no Mi, Blackbeard said that with it he felt as though he could control the entire world. He then proceeds to outline his plan, which involves wreaking havoc on Marineford via earthquakes and tsunamis. The significance of this statement lies in Blackbeard's interpretation of "controlling the world" in this context, as it relies on his ability to effect the entire planet using the Gura Gura no Mi, as evidenced by his intentions towards Marineford. Considering Blackbeard's past affiliation with Whitebeard's crew (a crew mate or several decades), it's reasonable to assume that he has knowledge of the fruit's capabilities, making this statement highly credible.
3. Comparing Ancient Weapons and Gura Gura No Mi
The particular kanji used for the Gura Gura no Mi's "Power to Destroy the World" (used in a plethora material, from the manga, to novels, and even all the way to game promotions): "世界を滅ぼしうる力!!!" is the exact same as the kanji used for Ancient Weapons. This is important because not only have we seen a weapon that has been noted to be similar to the destruction that can be caused by an Ancient Weapon have worldwide effects, but the wording of Ancient Weapons being able to sink the world are identical to the wording of Blackbeard saying that he would sink Marineford as an example to what he could do to the world.
Support:
1. Reaction of the People
Chapter 550, opens by showing us a global perspective, showcasing people from various areas eagerly anticipating the start of the Paramount War. Among these reactions, two stand out as particularly significant: one involving people in the North Blue and another featuring a lady from the Grand Line. Starting with the people from the North Blue, their discussion hints at the possibility of the world not remaining intact at the war's conclusion. This conversation alludes to a scenario where the Whitebeard Pirates win the war, suggesting that Whitebeard's powers via the Gura Gura no Mi could extend its devastating effects to regions as distant as the North Blue. Shifting focus to the woman in the Grand Line, her actions show anxiety and fear about the potential outcome of the war. She's shown praying for protection from Whitebeard's powers in a similar hypothetical scenario, one where the Navy faces defeat, and the world faces the prospect of widespread destruction.
A counterargument that may be raised against using these reactions as supporting evidence could be that since these individuals don't have a real understanding of the extent of the Gura Gura no Mi's power, their reactions hold little to no substantial weight in confirming its reach. However, this line of argumentation fails to acknowledge the narrative significance of this particular scene. Oda would not have incorporated this scene into the story without a compelling reason. It serves as a narrative device to show the catastrophic potential of the Gura Gura no Mi and to foreshadow what could've happened had he won the war, even in the minds of people who are simply speculative of his strength.
2. Chapter 564's Title
The title of Chapter 564 is quite literally "The Man Who Shakes the World." It kicks off with Whitebeard entering the battle, unleashing shockwaves that reverberate throughout Marineford, and causing the island and the surrounding seas to tilt dramatically. This chapter's title and content collectively suggest that the Gura Gura no Mi's power to create shockwaves, induce earthquakes, and incite tsunamis goes beyond immediate island-level impacts; it points toward its potential to effect the entire planet on a grand scale. This is even further supported by the fact that a relatively small quake had such far-reaching effects that it was felt from a distant island and even prompted fear among the island's wildlife.
3. Databook Deep Blue
Databook Deep Blue, similarly to Chapter 564's Title, flat-out states that Whitebeard has the power to shake the world with his Devil Fruit.
Conclusion:
The Gura Gura no Mi's power can effect the entire world, and because of that, both Whitebeard and Blackbeard should have the range section of their profiles updated from "Hundreds of Kilometers" to "Stellar."
Agree: KingTempest, Maverick_Zero_X, DarkDragonMedeus, Elizhaa, LordTracer
Disagree: Damage3245, Duedate8898
Neutral: ByAsura
Whitebeard and Blackbeard can effect the entirety of the One Piece planet with the Gura Gura no Mi via Earthquakes and Tsunamis.
Proofs:
1. Tsuru
Seeing Whitebeard's might, the Vice Admirals urged Tsuru to go back to the safety of the ice block. She responded saying that that even at the "very ends of the ocean, [there exists] no safe haven" to shield her from the effects of the Gura Gura no Mi. This holds particular significance because Tsuru belongs to the same era as Sengoku and Garp, having undergone training alongside them within the ranks of the Marines. Consequently, it is highly likely that she has a deeper understanding of the Gura Gura no Mi's capabilities than most, via her observations of Whitebeard's battles with Garp, Sengoku, and/or Roger.
2. Blackbeard
After consuming the Gura Gura no Mi, Blackbeard said that with it he felt as though he could control the entire world. He then proceeds to outline his plan, which involves wreaking havoc on Marineford via earthquakes and tsunamis. The significance of this statement lies in Blackbeard's interpretation of "controlling the world" in this context, as it relies on his ability to effect the entire planet using the Gura Gura no Mi, as evidenced by his intentions towards Marineford. Considering Blackbeard's past affiliation with Whitebeard's crew (a crew mate or several decades), it's reasonable to assume that he has knowledge of the fruit's capabilities, making this statement highly credible.
3. Comparing Ancient Weapons and Gura Gura No Mi
The particular kanji used for the Gura Gura no Mi's "Power to Destroy the World" (used in a plethora material, from the manga, to novels, and even all the way to game promotions): "世界を滅ぼしうる力!!!" is the exact same as the kanji used for Ancient Weapons. This is important because not only have we seen a weapon that has been noted to be similar to the destruction that can be caused by an Ancient Weapon have worldwide effects, but the wording of Ancient Weapons being able to sink the world are identical to the wording of Blackbeard saying that he would sink Marineford as an example to what he could do to the world.
Support:
1. Reaction of the People
Chapter 550, opens by showing us a global perspective, showcasing people from various areas eagerly anticipating the start of the Paramount War. Among these reactions, two stand out as particularly significant: one involving people in the North Blue and another featuring a lady from the Grand Line. Starting with the people from the North Blue, their discussion hints at the possibility of the world not remaining intact at the war's conclusion. This conversation alludes to a scenario where the Whitebeard Pirates win the war, suggesting that Whitebeard's powers via the Gura Gura no Mi could extend its devastating effects to regions as distant as the North Blue. Shifting focus to the woman in the Grand Line, her actions show anxiety and fear about the potential outcome of the war. She's shown praying for protection from Whitebeard's powers in a similar hypothetical scenario, one where the Navy faces defeat, and the world faces the prospect of widespread destruction.
A counterargument that may be raised against using these reactions as supporting evidence could be that since these individuals don't have a real understanding of the extent of the Gura Gura no Mi's power, their reactions hold little to no substantial weight in confirming its reach. However, this line of argumentation fails to acknowledge the narrative significance of this particular scene. Oda would not have incorporated this scene into the story without a compelling reason. It serves as a narrative device to show the catastrophic potential of the Gura Gura no Mi and to foreshadow what could've happened had he won the war, even in the minds of people who are simply speculative of his strength.
2. Chapter 564's Title
The title of Chapter 564 is quite literally "The Man Who Shakes the World." It kicks off with Whitebeard entering the battle, unleashing shockwaves that reverberate throughout Marineford, and causing the island and the surrounding seas to tilt dramatically. This chapter's title and content collectively suggest that the Gura Gura no Mi's power to create shockwaves, induce earthquakes, and incite tsunamis goes beyond immediate island-level impacts; it points toward its potential to effect the entire planet on a grand scale. This is even further supported by the fact that a relatively small quake had such far-reaching effects that it was felt from a distant island and even prompted fear among the island's wildlife.
3. Databook Deep Blue
Databook Deep Blue, similarly to Chapter 564's Title, flat-out states that Whitebeard has the power to shake the world with his Devil Fruit.
Conclusion:
The Gura Gura no Mi's power can effect the entire world, and because of that, both Whitebeard and Blackbeard should have the range section of their profiles updated from "Hundreds of Kilometers" to "Stellar."
Agree: KingTempest, Maverick_Zero_X, DarkDragonMedeus, Elizhaa, LordTracer
Disagree: Damage3245, Duedate8898
Neutral: ByAsura
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