The Revival Of Tarouverse

[PhantomØ4]

I’m not even gonna question how that spiraled into whatever that argument was.

 

[ImmortalDread]

lol

 

[Antvasima]

So what are the current staff conclusions and what else do we need to do here?

 

[ImmortalDread]

It seems @Ultima_Reality need to respond to people who answered his questions. But one thing that most of the staff members concur with it, that the verse is at least low 1-C for little Garden.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the reply.

 

[RitsuØ1]

So what are the current staff conclusions and what else do we need to do here?

The cosmology is at least 6-D. We’re just waiting for Ultima and Elizhaa to reply to Phantom’s proposal. We don’t want to pressure them to replying asap, but at the same time, some of us are going to be very busy soon. So, a reply soon without pressure will be nice.

 

[Antvasima]

The cosmology is at least 6-D. We’re just waiting for Ultima and Elizhaa to reply to Phantom’s proposal. We don’t want to pressure them to replying asap, but at the same time, some of us are going to be very busy soon. So, a reply soon without pressure will be nice.

Okay.

@Ultima_Reality @Elizhaa

Your further help would be very appreciated here.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Ah, actually, that's pretty wack that It instantly clicked in my mind the minute someone pointed that detail out like that. I wish that had been the point before; be it by an opposer or a supporter. Well, anyways, thank you for reasoning there, it makes total sense.

In such sense you would say that the full interchanging parallel world theory structure is on the same scale of existence as Little Garden (lower bound), no? I would like clarification on that as beforehand it had been circular logic.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. If Little Garden is so large that it views infinite multiverses as being finite objects (Literal particles, in this case), then it can't be on the same scale of existence as said multiverses themselves. The collection of infinite multiverses would be 2-A and Little Garden would in turn be Low 1-C under that reading of the text. That said, if the interpretation instead is that there are just so many multiverses that, if you "zoom out," individual ones seem like particles piled on each other, then that'd just refer to a big collection of universes (And not to some.higher space encompassing them), and as such wouldn't really go past 2-A as per the standards on how groups of infinite multiverses are treated.

The point at which outer gates have to be used and that which they begin to be called as higher layers of the world, only begins at the 3rd Domain which does have transcendence over the previous domain so far. Then on the same kind of higher world with the same outer gates we have the 2-Digit Domain and 3-Digit Domain difference which would go from Xth Dimension to the Yth Dimension. Nothing changing form one to another and then have the 1-Digit Domain, with a precedence set of these same "higher" layers of the onion that is Little Garden I don't see it as unreasonable to see the precedence there and go by it, if not for a solid rating to give a possibly but do let me know your thoughts.

Beyond that. For the 1-Digit domain aside from the power to end all stories of End Emptiness, which is admittedly vague, we have it (End Emptiness) within the 1-Digit domain viewing the rest of the cosmology, including the higher layers like the would be (whatever) dimensional infinite reality of the Brahman as part of [World Inside A Box] and Shiroyasha employing a power on the 1-Digit Domain scale could do the same.

Something being referred to as "a higher layer" generally isn't enough to qualify for a jump of a level of infinity, unless it's being grouped with more substantial information. And admittedly what I'm missing is evidence that the 3-Digit Gods, specifically, are the first point in the cosmology where multiverses start to be seen as being little particles. There is also the aforementioned concerns I have with the tidbit in the blog about how 3-Digit Gods reducing their power by 50% is enough to avoid destruction in lower layers.

2-Digit Gods certainly qualify on the other hand, given the description of Brahman, but 1-Digit Gods seem a bit vaguer here. What exactly is the context of the "world inside a box" stuff?

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out, Ultima.

 

[PDB123456789]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. If Little Garden is so large that it views infinite multiverses as being finite objects (Literal particles, in this case), then it can't be on the same scale of existence as said multiverses themselves. The collection of infinite multiverses would be 2-A and Little Garden would in turn be Low 1-C under that reading of the text. That said, if the interpretation instead is that there are just so many multiverses that, if you "zoom out," individual ones seem like particles piled on each other, then that'd just refer to a big collection of universes (And not to some.higher space encompassing them), and as such wouldn't really go past 2-A as per the standards on how groups of infinite multiverses are treated.

Hmm,It seems that right now you are not sure whether LG is 5D world or not ? And at least your L1C is 2-Digit gods AP (If LG=5D then 2Digits =6D, LG=2A then 2Digits=5D ) right?

 

[RitsuØ1]

Hmm,It seems that right now you are not sure whether LG is 5D world or not ? And at least your L1C is 2-Digit gods AP (If LG=5D then 2Digits =6D, LG=2A then 2Digits=5D ) right?

No Anon. Ultima already accepted 5-D Little Garden and 6-D 2-Digits due to Brahman.

2-Digit Gods certainly qualify on the other hand, given the description of Brahman, but 1-Digit Gods seem a bit vaguer here. What exactly is the context of the "world inside a box" stuff?

Little Garden have a paradox called "Boostrap Paradox" that gods and humanity which side actually came first which was later confirmed that the Gods, the 3-Digits, created the world. The principle of mankind is also the truth of all cosmologies.

"Nothing. Since I've met all kinds of Demon Kings and Divine Spirits, I believed this guy will return to Little Garden eventually. For the nature of this World of Little Garden --- is time-interdependent world with the history of mankind."

"You are a little wrong. It would be more correct to say both gods and mankind are interdependence with each other. Well, since 90% of Little Garden's inhabitants received their Gifts from Divine Spirits so you aren't completely wrong either."

Everyone in this place suddenly faced each other and tilted their head.

Among them, only Faceless, the Queen's Knight understood their conversation.

"I heard this from the Queen before. The Divine Spirits were subjected to an endless Paradox Game...... they called it "Logic Error"."

"What does it mean?"

"In the first place, please think about the conditions for the existence of a Divine Spirit to occur.

(Divine Spirits are born by the faith of mankind)

(Mankind evolves by accepting the Gifts from the gods)

------Then, which one of them is the start and the end of this circle?"

Upon hearing the Queen's Knight's words, Sala's face became stiff and two of the Seven Sages covered their mouth when they realized something.

"A world where Creator aka the Origin (Alpha) and Creation aka the End (Omega) are one...... the World of Little Garden?"

"Correct. This is the Paradox said to be the greatest mystery since the creation of Little Garden. Is the chicken (God) first or the egg (Human) first? ----- Popularly known as the [Bootstrap Paradox]."

"Impossible. Didn't the Human World already reach to a conclusion for that? Isn't that most supported theory in Year 2000 aka "The Last Age of Mankind", the creationism theory in which God is the creator of the world?"

Although this theory holds enormous influence according on major religions of every era, it is also a fact that expect creationism theory proposed an original cause which created the world (universe), other explanations have yet to be proven. And, it was also one of the truth impossible to reach for even if all mankind's history's time was exhausted.

Hearing Roc Demon King's counter, Croix could only shrug to show his troubled face.

"Karyou-chan. If "obtaining the support of mankind" is the "insurance of creationism theory" ------ that would be equal to "the laws of the world is decided by the whims of mankind's subjective view". Won't that also mean the principle of mankind is the truth of all cosmologies?"

"......That's,"

Which 2-Digits views the rest of the cosmology as [World Inside A Box]:

"Don't kidding about it. ————Listen, the Great Sage Equals to Heaven. You must stay here. And, I will descend to the lower layers, regardless what kind of reason I have to use. If all hope is lost on the lower layers, then I would respond the same by hosting of a Paradox Game and confined Little Garden as a real "world inside a box"."

And 1-Digit already views the rest of the cosmology, including 2-Digits, as part of [World Inside A Box]:

"Okay, so how should I start this? Firstly, oh right. We must start from the other [Final Trial of Humanity], one that is different from this three headed dragon---the story about the Dystopian Demon Lord."

"…… Dystopia? You mean, dystopia of the dystopian literature?"

"That's right. Everything started from the moment that guy sealed the World of Little Garden…… No, the entire history of mankind into [the world inside a box]."

1-Digits also see 2-Digits [Full Authority beings] and 3-Digits [Omnipotent] as tales:

“According to this interpretation, One Digit can be said to be an incomplete spirit status with partial abilities. 「End Emptiness」 is the best example. It is a spirit body that granted 「Authority to end all worlds (tales)」 to all Omnipotent and Full Authority beings.”

“...That’s just, it isn’t an opponent in the dimension of winning or losing.”

1-Digits [Last Embryo] living inside 1-Digit Domain:

“A 1-Digit…..huh? Can I interpret it means that thing is a being of the highest layer even on Little Garden , masked knight-sama?”

“Of course. Although we categorized it as a Demon King out of convenience, [Decadent Wind] is actually an existence can be said the law of the world --- So to speak, a “partial omnipotent” being.

That, was something which Izayoi had heard from Garol.

A being arrived from the furthest ends of the concept of time, but that description was too abstract and left only a vague image for Izayoi. Actually, if its origin was at the very end of the concept of time, it can be thought that thing would’ve already beyond the limitation of a trial for mankind to overcome.

Did Croix understood what was going through Izayoi’s mind at the moment? He replied with a bitter smile.

“It is just as the Queen’s Knight’s words. [Decadent Wind] is a little special. The reason for it to be placed as an [Last Embryo] would be it functions as a time limit to finish a Last Trial. And, the hourglass stopped when Azi Dahaka was sealed was the cause for its disappearance for the last two hundred years.”

Here’s Dystopia Being a [Last Embryo] just like [Winds of Decadence] in the scan before:

Even in the world of gods that is Little Garden, the legendary Demon Lords are also in existence.

Azi Dahaka, the 「Absolute Evil」.

Dystopia, the 「Locked World」.

End Emptiness, the 「Winds of Decadence」.

They were the existences that exceeded the rules of the strongest kind--- and were classified as 「The Last Trials of Humanity」.

Here’s host master paradox game belonging to the Last Embryo domain:

The popular term for Most Ancient Demon Kings.

They are the original of unique cultural system on Little Garden such as Demon Kings and Gift Game..

Natural disasters that suddenly appeared at the dawn of creation when the gods fought with the history of mankind as the center. Unlike the gods' proxy war which initiated with the continuation of history of mankind as their premise, the Last Embryo are highest level trials that encompasses possibilities such as "a being that is impossible for mankind to overcome" or "the loopholes of the world". To make it easier to understand, you can they are the personification of "Host Authority (Host Master)" itself.

TL;DR: 2-Digits see the cosmology as a [World Inside A Box] and 1-Digits sees the cosmology, including 2-Digits, as part of the cosmology, [World Inside A Box]. 1-Digits are the strongest existences that exceed the rules of the strongest kind and also views 2-Digits [Full Authority beings] and 3-Digits [Omnipotent] as tales.

Credits to @PhantomØ4 for most of the scans used above.

Edit: Minor Spelling/Grammar Mistakes.

 

[Elizhaa]

I still do not see higher than 6-D since the 1-Digits layer hasn't been properly installed. It doesn't seem like the verse has reality-fiction analogies that could work for transcendence since fiction seems to be related to alternative worlds, from sections in the blog.

''—— The World of Little Garden exists across all kinds of different time axes. Whether it was fiction and facts, they can exist as a fact inside different timelines, moreover, if the fact of the latter is consistent, then it will be allowed to exist. That is the true form of this space of Little Garden itself.''

——A world where past ages and future eras, facts and fictions coexisted together.

 

[RitsuØ1]

I still do not see higher than 6-D since the 1-Digits layer hasn't been properly installed. It doesn't seem like the verse has reality-fiction analogies that could work for transcendence since fiction seems to be related to alternative worlds, from sections in the blog.

Is this referring to the 1-Digit's Domain? Or is this referring to 1-Digits seeing 2-Digits and 3-Digits as tales or 1-Digits seeing 2-Digits and the rest of the cosmology as part of [World Inside A Box]?

 

[Delta333]

Can I see the raw of this part?

"Brahman connotes the highest universal principle. The unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond. Unchanging, permanent, highest reality."

Because I just found out that it's literally similar to the definition of Brahman in real life Hinduism which I see on this site

"It is also defined as:

• The unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe "

So I just want to confirm whether the novel uses that actual description or the blog simply uses Brahman's description in real life which doesn't exist within the work, that's all.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Can I see the raw of this part?

"Brahman connotes the highest universal principle. The unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond. Unchanging, permanent, highest reality."

Because I just found out that it's literally similar to the definition of Brahman in real life Hinduism which I see on this site

"It is also defined as:

• The unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe "

So I just want to confirm whether the novel uses that actual description or the blog simply uses Brahman's description in real life which doesn't exist within the work, that's all.

We can't use real life religious concept, like it says in the blog.

 

[Delta333]

We can't use real life religious concept, like it says in the blog.

Yea I'm aware

 

[ImmortalDread]

I won't much really take the statement from Tales as r>f transcendence

Is this referring to the 1-Digit's Domain? Or is this referring to 1-Digits seeing 2-Digits and 3-Digits as tales or 1-Digits seeing 2-Digits and the rest of the cosmology as part of [World Inside A Box]?

The latter and I agree with Elizhaa, it is not proper explained.

 

[PDB123456789]

volume 12 chapter 4 only mentions 2Digits as Brahman. The definition of Brahman in the blog is that Frozen's translator copied the definition on the wiki and put it in the footnotes, not mentioned in the story at all. Link

“No, there are four. They are the originals that held the existence of Brahman[9] since birth. Their structure were completely different from us. Even now, including Gau****[10], there were about seventeen inside?”

Translator's Note:

[9] It’ll be impossible to explain that in a note. I’ll just quote wiktionary : “Brahman is the unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe. The nature of Brahman is described as transpersonal, personal and impersonal by different philosophical schools.”

 

[ImmortalDread]

I thought the quote is canon?

 

[PDB123456789]

I thought the quote is canon?

Quote from the translator Frozen and not from the author. If it's a quote from the tarou author, then canon.
I read the whole series and the only thing mentioned is Brahman=Universal Truth.

 

[Delta333]

Dude let's wait for supporter first

 

[Everything12]

“...There was no one in the two digit before?”

“No, there are four. They are the originals that held the existence of Brahman[9] since birth. Their structure were completely different from us. Even now, including Gau****[10], there were about seventeen inside?”

9 It’ll be impossible to explain that in a note. I’ll just quote wiktionary : “Brahman is the unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe. The nature of Brahman is described as transpersonal, personal and impersonal by different philosophical schools.”

So that quote isn't applicable.

 

[ImmortalDread]

If it is translator notes, it is not. I will wait for further input on why it is being used.

 

[Everything12]

I'll add that they didn't try to hide it or be deceitful:

Definition of Brahman.

''Brahman connotes the highest universal principle. The unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond. Unchanging, permanent, highest reality."

~ Wikipedia

But it also isn't usable and if I'm not wrong was essential for the Brahman's acceptance from Ultima.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I was actually confused why there are two Barhmans in the cosmology blog, one is from translator notes and other is universal truth.

 

[PDB123456789]

I'll add that they didn't try to hide it or be deceitful:


But it also isn't usable and if I'm not wrong was essential for the Brahman's acceptance from Ultima.

They just fixed it recently. I also saw that it was vol 12 yesterday, not wiki

 

[Delta333]

The blog used to say like this, yea vol 12 instead of wikipedia

 

[Godsatoshi23]

The blog used to say like this, yea vol 12 instead of wikipedia

Why I am getting the feeling that you tried to edit or create the page because poblem.exe never wrote it has volume 12.

 

[PDB123456789]

Why I am getting the feeling that you tried to edit or create the page because poblem.exe never wrote it has volume 12.

Nah, I see vol 12 yesterday. You guys just corrected it today

 

[Godsatoshi23]

First we never told that we are using Brahman's definition as tier upgrade because that will be 1A, we just used it as a reference for transcendence between the digits where Brahman are not there and where brahmans are there because brahman is universal truth means transcendence, and that is written by the author.

Brahman's definition was for those who don't know about brahman.

 

[Rabbit2002]

Why I am getting the feeling that you tried to edit or create the page because poblem.exe never wrote it has volume 12.

Dude, no one can edit your blog instead of staff or yourself

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Dude, no one can edit your blog instead of staff or yourself

What about creating the exact copy only changing the volume there.

 

[King99999]

LMAO

 

[Rabbit2002]

What about creating the exact copy only changing the volume there.

If something like it happen, then you should find the page, or you can ask someone if they saw it to make a proof that Delta did that. You can check in activity stuff

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Also if you had read the blog till the last we cleared there only we are NOT using real Brahman from Hinduism

 

[PDB123456789]

You said not to use Brahman irl, but only in novels/series. But taking the brahman definition on the wiki and leaving it as Volume 12 :V I find it a bit funny.

 

[Delta333]

Why I am getting the feeling that you tried to edit or create the page because poblem.exe never wrote it has volume 12.

????
What the ****, why the hell do I need to edit that page when I don't even give a **** about this series?

 

[PDB123456789]

First we never told that we are using Brahman's definition as tier upgrade because that will be 1A, we just used it as a reference for transcendence between the digits where Brahman are not there and where brahmans are there because brahman is universal truth means transcendence, and that is written by the author.

Brahman's definition was for those who don't know about brahman.

Brahman=L1C if nothing context

 

[Fixxed]

Mhmhmh can someone tell me the reason of 6D???

Little garden is 5D, yes i agree, because its view the infinite multiverse just like particle

What i dont sure is about 2 digit being is 6D. Elizha say its 6D because its transcend digit 3 being, that is 5D, i mean what the reason 3rd digit can be 5D??? The one that 5D so far is only little garden (world of the little garden)

Even if braman (2rd digit) transcended it, braman just can have 4D or possibly 5D existance, because transcend 3rd digit that just 3D or 4D

Yeah even now the proof that use for braman's transcendent is just from wiki not actual from author. Its make tarouverse more cant have 6D structure

 

[ImmortalDread]

So now, is the quote canon or not?