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Star Wars Legends Cosmology Revision (Episode II: Attack of the 1-A God-Tiers)

Epyriel said:
She did offscreen repeatedly. The Mortis Gods are the ones that built her prison and forced her into it, and the Son and Daughter repeatedly had to fight and throw her back in whenever she broke out. (Sources being FOTJ: Apocalypse, and Galactic Architecture 101 and the History of Centerpoint Station)

Although there is a common misconception that she beat the Son and the Daughter together based on a mural seen in Apocalypse where the Son and Daughter are glowering and cowering respectively at her, however this could easily just be their first reaction to her new appearance and not a result of a defeat offscreen (after all, Abeloth has been stated to be weaker than any of the Mortis Gods individually).
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Thanks for clearing that up, I was so confused when people would say that Abeloth>Son and Daughter together, lol.
 
Xavis10 said:
Cut him some slack, dude's potential probably got hindered from all the grooming by Tahiri Veila while still 13yo lol
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His potential was stunted by him cutting off from the force until he was like 12 or 14. Yeah id be fine with him being weaker then solo, but he doesn't do anything super shocking unlike his cousin
 
Epyriel said:
I’m still waiting for anyone to post any evidence for Luke to even have a separate “avatar” and “main form” while in Oneness and not mind-walking. Where is this ever stated?


I already posted the quote above, but here it is again. After fighting waves of nameless Vong grunts with Jaina and Jacen. Luke is then forced to fight some Vong Slayers guarding Shimrra who cover him with injuries as Luke grows tired from the whole affair:
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No 1-A Luke? 😔😔
 
Wait, do we even have a profile for Jaina Solo?

Leia's profile also definitely needs some revisions, mainly for Legends since she's absolute dogwater in Disney Canon. (Though I think both need revisions). Shouldn't Disney Sequel trilogy leia have some self sustenance with the space scene?

I also don't get how she isn't at least on par with Canon Force Wielders with Force Amplification to 8-A since she did defeat Luke in the Sequel Trilogy though that was a sparring match.
 
TegamiBachi25 said:
Wait, do we even have a profile for Jaina Solo?

Leia's profile also definitely needs some revisions, mainly for Legends since she's absolute dogwater in Disney Canon. (Though I think both need revisions). Shouldn't Disney Sequel trilogy leia have some self sustenance with the space scene?

I also don't get how she isn't at least on par with Canon Force Wielders with Force Amplification to 8-A since she did defeat Luke in the Sequel Trilogy though that was a sparring match.
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An official one? No.

I think stonekiller was making one, if not, he was making for a member of the Solo family.

Also, to who would Leia scale to in Legends and in what era? As for the self-sustenance bit, every force wielder has that ability, to a degree. Any decent practitioner of the Force can go long periods of time without food, sleep or drink.
 
Xavis10 said:
An official one? No.

I think stonekiller was making one, if not, he was making for a member of the Solo family.

Also, to who would Leia scale to in Legends and in what era? As for the self-sustenance bit, every force wielder has that ability, to a degree. Any decent practitioner of the Force can go long periods of time without food, sleep or drink.
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There was her own oneness scene (I think in Legends?) she had with Luke and both were teeming with force energy using the golden force thing iirc. Her profile right now states she scales to kyp durron.
 
Xavis10 said:
Also, to who would Leia scale to in Legends and in what era?
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Kyp Durron stated she was as powerful in the Force as he was in TUF, and Kyp himself has been stated to be on the level of NJO Luke in terms of raw power.
 
Epyriel said:
Kyp Durron stated she was as powerful in the Force as he was in TUF, and Kyp himself has been stated to be on the level of NJO Luke in terms of raw power.
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what is the Quote, you can argue kyp in NJO is his prime he said
When I was still a teenager, I was able to reach into the gravity well of a gas giant and pull a spacecraft out of it. That's something that not many Masters could accomplish. I could do it because I was strong in the Force ... and because I had absolute faith in my right, my need to use that craft for a specific purpose. But I doubt I could do it today. I'm no weaker in the Force, and I'm a lot more skilled... but today I'd know that my intended purpose was not a good one, and this knowledge would deny me the focus I needed then to perform that task. So was I a Master then, or am I a Master now?"
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Btw Leia's son Anakin solos early into star by Star Scales past Kyp Durron in pure force
Arguably his best accolade, Anakin reaches out to alert the pilot of an unidentified X-Wing of who he was, and in return felt that the presence was almost as strong as his own, which was the powerful Kyp Durron:

He reached out with the Force to identify himself, and felt a presence almost as strong as his own in return.

"Request you break off," he said. "You'll cause some trouble for us—for all of us."

"Trouble, yes," the familiar voice of Kyp Durron replied, "but not for us."

Source: The New Jedi Order - Star by Star
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Good feat, well by then how trained Leia is, also poor kyp Lmao getting outclasses by a 44 year old women and 17 year old pre prime kid
 
TegamiBachi25 said:
There was her own oneness scene (I think in Legends?) she had with Luke and both were teeming with force energy using the golden force thing iirc. Her profile right now states she scales to kyp durron.
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Yes, that oneness scene was with both of the Skywalker twins, but it's not really right to say that she scales to Luke because of that, since oneness is a "power up" that the Force gives you and then when you no longer need it, it's taken away.

Basically the SW version of this meme.
 
Probably not the right thread for this, but I've been reading SE and holy wtf: Tiltony, Splendid Ap, and the rest of the Bedlam Spirits literally transmutation someone to death. I can only imagine what their profiles for the SE verse is going to have..."
 
TegamiBachi25 said:
Probably not the right thread for this, but I've been reading SE and holy wtf: Tiltony, Splendid Ap, and the rest of the Bedlam Spirits literally transmutation someone to death. I can only imagine what their profiles for the SE verse is going to have..."
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I'm currently working on the SW cosmology with the SE novel included, since it'll be added here on VS battles (same logic as DC/Vertigo). Transmuting someone to death is honestly pretty tame considering the kinds of stuff the Bedlam Spirits do in that novel.
 
bump? (idk if we can bump each other threads)

Also, how would the scaling for Mortis Gods apply in Canon? They wouldn't have the massive upscaling from Legends stuff, or if the Mortis gods in Canon are simply too obscure or unable to be differentiated from Legends like Canon Vader and Legends Vader?
 
TegamiBachi25 said:
Also, how would the scaling for Mortis Gods apply in Canon? They wouldn't have the massive upscaling from Legends stuff, or if the Mortis gods in Canon are simply too obscure or unable to be differentiated from Legends like Canon Vader and Legends Vader?
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They wouldn’t scale to the Beyond Shadows stuff (as that is entirely Legends-only content), but they should still at least get Low Multiverse level Environmental Destruction for embodying and affecting the entirety of the Force which permeates hyperspace (which in Canon is just an alternate dimension instead of a higher dimension).
 
Firestorm808 said:
What's the current status of the thread?
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Currently we have 1 admin vote in favour (from Sir Ovens) and no disagreements. Waiting on two more staff votes in favour.

Most of the discussion so far has been on tangents of who else might scale to the associated characters, but the actual provisions of the CRT in the OP are nearly unanimous.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
I'm with my wife on this one.
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HammerStrikes219 said:
Finally, so when is the next thread?
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In the meantime the changes accepted here need to be implemented, specifically for Luke, Abeloth and The Ones. The Force, Hyperspace and Realspace can be implemented whenever they get pages.

Grand_Astartes said:
I think StoneKillerz (OP) is busy, think they said something about it before
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If he is busy, I can cook up a thread for the high tiers in a few days to get over some revisions I have wanted to talk about for a while. Just need to get a few more calcs accepted.

Since this thread didn’t explicitly include any of the other mind-walking characters aside Luke in its proposal, I’ll include a section for everyone else that should also scale through Beyond Shadows.
 
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Epyriel said:
If he is busy, I can cook up a thread for the high tiers in a few days to get over some revisions I have wanted to talk about for a while. Just need to get a few more calcs accepted.
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That'd be great! Thanks.

Don't know who can implement the changes or if the pages are even unlocked right now though. Luckily StoneKillerz made a sandbox page for The Force but I am not sure if that was their final draft of the page.
 
Epyriel said:
If he is busy, I can cook up a thread for the high tiers in a few days to get over some revisions I have wanted to talk about for a while. Just need to get a few more calcs accepted.
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StoneKiller is slightly less busy as of now I believe. My understanding is that it shouldn't take that long before the third part of this CRT comes to the public. I'm curious however, what would some of these changes revolve around?
Epyriel said:
Since this thread didn’t explicitly include any of the other mind-walking characters aside Luke in its proposal, I’ll include a section for everyone else that should also scale through Beyond Shadows.
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Krayt?
 
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