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I’m just joke <(“)
Anyway, you will know when ultima replies.lol, even rabbit denies.
Ya, I will be notified here, no worries.Anyway, you will know when ultima replies.
????I was just mistaken. Rabbit just tells Ultima to say: Brahman is L1C. I misremembered as 1C and 1C were the scale of 7D. <(“) Rabbit cursed at me a lot on discord for that
Best argument of the year. No cap. Someone give this guy a medal/trophy. He deserves it.Saw the ultima saying tier 1c something. If you want to disagree qualitative superiority, you must discuss with ultima. Anyway, I don't agree with Ultima.
He refuted himself as well, “if you want to disagree, argue with ultima”, next line: I disagree with it.Best argument of the year. No cap. Someone give this guy a medal/trophy. He deserves it.
LMAO. I have never laughed this hard for months.He refuted himself as well, “if you want to disagree, argue with ultima”, next line: I disagree with it.
Lol. Now, we just play the waiting game.This thread just keeps getting chaotic, lol.
@Ultima_Reality will give his input, as he said yesterday. He is investigating it slowly.Thank you for helping out, @Everything12 . Has anything been accepted in this thread, and is there anything left to discuss here?
As one of the Three Strongest Species, [natural-born Divine Spirits] are naturally conceptual beings outside the influence of the material world. They are beings who were summoned from beyond the world by using deification of histories or personification of phenomena.''
Touriten —— The gate which connects the Empyrean World (Heaven) and the Present World (Earth), made for the purpose of allowing the Divine Alliance Community - [Divine Army] to dispatch to subjugate the demon kings.
If the powerful Divine Spirits of the 3-Digit were descend to the lower world with their original form, their presence alone would be disaster that shakes Heaven and Earth.
The Gate of Heaven aka Touriten was made to reduce that effect.''
From the perspective of 3-Digit Gods, infinite branches of infinite universes/multiverses are nothing but smaller than particles, not a single universe is beyond the reach of 3-Digit gods. As i have proved above, this is when they can only demonstrate 50% of their power in Little Garden
The multiverse is an infinite quantum and Little Garden is infinitely bigger than infinite parallel worlds and sees universes as little particles and even the strongest of 3-Digits could not mess with it without having their existence reduced to that of a particle
If one can interfere simultaneously and indefinitely on all of them, the universes observed from the World of Little Garden is likely to be much less than even particles...... That is, if the probability of existence is too low, they would disappear. Regardless what sort of powerful Divine Spirit, if their probability of existence was divided too much, they would become the size of, or perhaps smaller than a particle
Brahman connotes the highest universal principle. The unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond. Unchanging, permanent, highest reality.
"...There was no one in the two digit before?”
“No, there are four. They are the originals that held the existence of Brahman since birth. Their structure were completely different from us. Even now, including Gau****, there were about seventeen inside?”
It meant that most of the place were still empty. So many gods and buddhas were gathered, but only seventeen spots were filled in the two digits.''
This is where things get interesting. Shiroyasha stated that Little Garden can be defined as another Outer Universe, which is the same as the nature of the reals of Gods - Another Cosmologies/alternate cosmologies. In short, not only the cosmologies of gods at least shared the same nature as Little Garden's cosmology, but since they are all exist on the higher world, hence their Another Cosmologies should be able to dwarf the Little Garden and the multiversal hierarchy.
Alma: “[Natural-born Divine Spirit]…… Lifeforms that are the mutual observers with mankind and possessing alternate cosmologies. The gods possess alternate cosmologies from mankind’s – [Another Cosmology]. The worlds they dwell on are all exist outside the universe. In human term, you can call those as Outer Universes.”
Shiro: “Since those are completely incomprehensible dimensions where a slight mistake in the density of time would lead to incomprehensible Laws of Physic, Proper Times and Laws of Celestial Bodies. You can also define Little Garden as another Outer Universe'. And just to be sure, [Natural-born Divine Spirit] doesn’t mean pure-blooded Divine Spirit, if anyone is confused
'(How foolish! Even now you try to use the authority of Universal Truth (Brahman)! Did they not understand Avesta’s ability!?)
The Indian Gods - The Sun Trinity Mystical God held the the spear of absolute hit and absolute victory. That was the authority of “Destined Victory” the Gods reached after manipulating the truth of the Universe, a type of ‘Another Cosmology’.
Once that was used, regardless of target, Avesta would automatically oppose and neutralize it.''
My interpretation for this part, is that in the explanation 3-digit gods interact with the universes by dividing their existence between each one, and to interact with every single one of the universe's at once would require splitting their existence to such an extent that each part would be comparable to particles.
- Where exactly does 3-Digit Gods being the ones that see the multiverses as particles come from? Especially with the claim that they themselves can't even mess with this structure without being reduced to the size of particles themselves? (Whatever that's supposed to mean)
Divine Spirits don’t exactly divide themselves, they already have a density of existence and manifestation across parallel universes. It’s really more verse mechanics, so sadly I’ll have to drop more quotes.2nd, the [Density of Time]. The higher for existing time of a [Spiritual Essence] from its materialization to the present, its possibilities of manifestation and its density of existence in parallel universes, the mightier and brighter a [Spiritual Essence].
The Star Spirits might be powerful in this field, but royalties and demigods of mankind are also correspond to that.
"I heard this from the Queen before. The Divine Spirits were subjected to an endless Paradox Game...... they called it "Logic Error"."
"What does it mean?"
"In the first place, please think about the conditions for the existence of a Divine Spirit to occur.
(Divine Spirits are born by the faith of mankind)
(Mankind evolves by accepting the Gifts from the gods)
------Then, which one of them is the start and the end of this circle?"
Upon hearing the Queen's Knight's words, Sala's face became stiff and two of the Seven Sages covered their mouth when they realized something.
"A world where Creator aka the Origin (Alpha) and Creation aka the End (Omega) are one...... the World of Little Garden?"
"Correct. This is the Paradox said to be the greatest mystery since the creation of Little Garden. Is the chicken (God) first or the egg (Human) first? ----- Popularly known as the [Bootstrap Paradox]."
"Impossible. Didn't the Human World already reach to a conclusion for that? Isn't that most supported theory in Year 2000 aka "The Last Age of Mankind", the creationism theory in which God is the creator of the world?"
Although this theory holds enormous influence according on major religions of every era, it is also a fact that expect creationism theory proposed an original cause which created the world (universe), other explanations have yet to be proven. And, it was also one of the truth impossible to reach for even if all mankind's history's time was exhausted.
Hearing Roc Demon King's counter, Croix could only shrug to show his troubled face.
"Karyou-chan. If "obtaining the support of mankind" is the "insurance of creationism theory" ------ that would be equal to "the laws of the world is decided by the whims of mankind's subjective view". Won't that also mean the principle of mankind is the truth of all cosmologies?"
"......That's,"
"「Candidate of Origin」............you say? I didn't get the joke, but with that talk, I finally made sense of one thing"
"Hou? Does that mean that, Izayoi-kun already understands who are the [Candidates of Origin]?"
"Well, roughly. In short, It's that right? The representatives in order to inquire "which is the true origin" in the birth circle of Humans and Gods. That's the destiny of the people like that Hakuhatsuki and me, right?"
Which came first: the chicken or the egg?
Sakamaki Izayoi concluded that they - the "Candidates of Origin" were candidates tasked to reveal the final conclusion to the paradox game that hasn’t been solved up to this point.
"Those guys, calling themselves 「Ouroboros」demonstrated the current relationship between the gods and humans. This is just a hunch, but that Hakuhatsuki called “His Highness” is probably the origin candidate of the gods. That means that I'm the candidate of the humans right?"
".............Yes. It's roughly correct"
"Then, the reason that the candidates must defeat the Last Trials also lies there. Even if the starting point is determined, if won't be inconsistent even if the ending is not decided. It could be said that, we both are the prepared pawns to fight on the board known as Little Garden. ................Really, the games of gods and demons, didn't even consider the trouble they cause other people."
“Then...... An Origin Candidate will have several essential abilities.”
“What are they?”
“1st, a 100% probability of existence.
2nd, the power to interfere with the past, the present and the future from outside a timeline.
3rd, influence on the world is extremely high in one form or another.
---Well, I can only think of three. 1st and 3rd are essential, but I will leave the 2nd out since there is a chance that ability is unnecessary...... Good good. If this is correct, there isn’t only way to save the world alone. We will need to consider that mean.”
Ho, Tokuteru raised his voice to show his impression and folded his hands.
The method to avoid mankind’s destruction from this point of view was after countless discussions.
In the arguments between the gods, they conclude that in the end, mankind could only find the means to settle everything and project that equation to all worlds by themselves.
(Fate is defined as a large flow by the volume of the world. The cause for more than three Divine Spirits can’t exist simultaneously in a world where probability of existence of Divine Spirits are low, was because cataclysms that were impossible to manifest would occur as the outcome of the volume of fate being changed by the Divine Spirit’s immense existence)
There is one thing wrong about Homura’s assumption.
Is that for a Divine Spirit, something such as “worlds where they cannot interfere” does not exist, the right explanation would be there are “meaningless worlds even if they interfere”. In short, they are worlds that are extremely possible for the gods to make a return with a residue portion of the power created miracles and everything will still remain with the same conclusion.
In order to save all worlds the Little Garden observes and all worlds that aren’t purposely observed, by themselves, mankind must draw out the necessary volume of fate for the entire mankind to save the entire mankind.
And to change the volume of fate, the power to release the heat of the soul from the Inner Universe to the Outer Universe --- the power of miracles of intelligent lifeforms is indispensable.
The two trials appeared to manifest the heat of soul, are [Absolute Evil] and [Ptolemaic Theory] --- The Demon Kings who were called [Last Embryo].
(......Well. White Night King put herself to “wait” for the sake of Little Garden rather than being a trial. Regardless what somebody else said, we don’t have to ask since the White Night King had made an objection.)
It was absolutely meaningless from all points of view for the Divine Spirits to interfere.
But Homura said the Divine Spirits have a solution for that. No doubt they had already considered that method, but they were more curious in the opinion of a normal human more.
Ah, actually, that's pretty wack that It instantly clicked in my mind the minute someone pointed that detail out like that. I wish that had been the point before; be it by an opposer or a supporter. Well, anyways, thank you for reasoning there, it makes total sense.From what I see, the same statement is being used to quantify distinct parts of the cosmology that are posited as an infinity apart from one another, which obviously doesn't work.
This is probably just a miscommunication as there is a sort of broken telephone game going on when someone that is not Ritsu, in this case me, wants to add something to the OP. You are correct, Brahaman beings start on the 2-Digit Domain and not anywhere lower.Another thing I've seen being used to push for the idea that there is a level of transcendence between each Digit is this quote:
Taken as something that applies to the verse's cosmology, then, yeah, it obviously would be a level of transcendence above whatever it scales to. The descriptor of "transcendence" is very clearly meant to convey the superiority that Brahman holds over other things, ontop of it being described as "the highest reality" and the ground on which all space, time and being (And everything beyond those) resides. There is really no feasible way in which you could rate it as being on the same level as the things it encompasses.
However, there is the issue that, although the blog claims that 3-Digit Gods are Brahman, it doesn't seem to take much effort in actually giving much evidence to prove that, from what I can gather. In fact, "Brahman" seems to be a thing associated with 2-Digit Gods:
The point at which outer gates have to be used and that which they begin to be called as higher layers of the world, only begins at the 3rd Domain which does have transcendence over the previous domain so far. Then on the same kind of higher world with the same outer gates we have the 2-Digit Domain and 3-Digit Domain difference which would go from Xth Dimension to the Yth Dimension. Nothing changing form one to another and then have the 1-Digit Domain, with a precedence set of these same "higher" layers of the onion that is Little Garden I don't see it as unreasonable to see the precedence there and go by it, if not for a solid rating to give a possibly but do let me know your thoughts.So, on the whole, each Digit is more powerful than the last, for sure, but the only gap that can be called a level of infinity among them, as far as I see, is the one between 3-Digit and 2-Digit. There doesn't seem to be much information on 1-Digit Gods, so, I don't think there is anything to say that they transcend 2-Digit Gods in the same way those transcend the rest, or anything.
"Okay, so how should I start this? Firstly, oh right. We must start from the other [Final Trial of Humanity], one that is different from this three headed dragon---the story about the Dystopian Demon Lord."
"…… Dystopia? You mean, dystopia of the dystopian literature?"
"That's right. Everything started from the moment that guy sealed the World of Little Garden…… No, the entire history of mankind into [the world inside a box]."
"No kidding about it. ————Listen, Great Sage That Equals Heaven. You must stay here. And, I will descend to the lower layers, regardless what kind of reason I have to use. If all hope is lost on the lower layers, then I would respond the same by hosting of a Paradox Game and confined Little Garden as a real "world inside a box"."
Nah,I mean you can send a private message to discuss/communicate with Ultima about this verse <(“) my english is a bit dumb, hope you understand. Anyway I want to apologize to Rabbit and Ultima for bringing their words into the discussion that they didn't say this(I mistakenly remember Rabbit saying, I feel so sorry for Rabbit) <(“) I guess I'll get out of thread. As for my opinion, Tarouverse Solid 2A-posssible 5D with LG.He refuted himself as well, “if you want to disagree, argue with ultima”, next line: I disagree with it.
Do you have evidence that it is actually 1-Digits or 1-Digit powers?The point at which outer gates have to be used and that which they begin to be called as higher layers of the world, only begins at the 3rd Domain which does have transcendence over the previous domain so far. Then on the same kind of higher world with the same outer gates we have the 2-Digit Domain and 3-Digit Domain difference which would go from Xth Dimension to the Yth Dimension. Nothing changing form one to another and then have the 1-Digit Domain, with a precedence set of these same "higher" layers of the onion that is Little Garden I don't see it as unreasonable to see the precedence there and go by it, if not for a solid rating to give a possibly but do let me know your thoughts.
Beyond that. For the 1-Digit domain aside from the power to end all stories of End Emptiness, which is admittedly vague, we have it (End Emptiness) within the 1-Digit domain viewing the rest of the cosmology, including the higher layers like the would be (whatever) dimensional infinite reality of the Brahman as part of [World Inside A Box] and Shiroyasha employing a power on the 1-Digit Domain scale could do the same.
It seems like Little Garden's cosmological evidence was used for the point which would be wrong Interchanging Parallel World's evidence.Interchanging Parallel World Theory AKA the infinite Time-Axes
I still could see Little Garden being 5-D, from the points that infinite universes seem like particles to it.Little Garden & Domains
Yeah. Here’s [Last Embryo] belonging to the 1-Digit DomainDo you have evidence that it is actually 1-Digits or 1-Digit powers?
Here’s Dystopia Being a [Last Embryo] just like Winds of Decadence in the scan before.“A 1-Digit…..huh? Can I interpret it means that thing is a being of the highest layer even on Little Garden , masked knight-sama?”
“Of course. Although we categorized it as a Demon King out of convenience, [Decadent Wind] is actually an existence can be said the law of the world --- So to speak, a “partial omnipotent” being.
That, was something which Izayoi had heard from Garol.
A being arrived from the furthest ends of the concept of time, but that description was too abstract and left only a vague image for Izayoi. Actually, if its origin was at the very end of the concept of time, it can be thought that thing would’ve already beyond the limitation of a trial for mankind to overcome.
Did Croix understood what was going through Izayoi’s mind at the moment? He replied with a bitter smile.
“It is just as the Queen’s Knight’s words. [Decadent Wind] is a little special. The reason for it to be placed as an [Last Embryo] would be it functions as a time limit to finish a Last Trial. And, the hourglass stopped when Azi Dahaka was sealed was the cause for its disappearance for the last two hundred years.”
Even in the world of gods that is Little Garden, the legendary Demon Lords are also in existence.
Azi Dahaka, the 「Absolute Evil」.
Dystopia, the 「Locked World」.
End Emptiness, the 「Winds of Decadence」.
They were the existences that exceeded the rules of the strongest kind--- and were classified as 「The Last Trials of Humanity」.
The popular term for Most Ancient Demon Kings.
They are the original of unique cultural system on Little Garden such as Demon Kings and Gift Game..
Natural disasters that suddenly appeared at the dawn of creation when the gods fought with the history of mankind as the center. Unlike the gods' proxy war which initiated with the continuation of history of mankind as their premise, the Last Embryo are highest level trials that encompasses possibilities such as "a being that is impossible for mankind to overcome" or "the loopholes of the world". To make it easier to understand, you can they are the personification of "Host Authority (Host Master)" itself.
Yeah and elizhaa also dropped some question about 1-digits which Phantom04 already replied.I assume Ultima need to come back since he dropped some questions.
Show me, just show me, that the translation is bad because my thread includes Japanese scan to back it up. I hate when people nitpicking my translation when all they said was just hurr durr mtl hurr durr bad but prove nothing why it is badHopes no one is really saying that 1-Digits having any r>f relationship as the translation and context is really bad and does not imply in this direction
This is based on name. It never ever clarified that he views worlds as tales. And it has never been mentioned in the story before.“According to this interpretation, One Digit can be said to be an incomplete spirit status with partial abilities. 「End Emptiness」 is the best example. It is a spirit body that granted 「Authority to end all worlds (tales)」 to all Omnipotent and Full Authority beings.” “...That’s just, it isn’t an opponent in the dimension of winning or losing.”''
FacepalmWhy would this grant any r>f relationship?
This is based on name. It never ever clarified that he views worlds as tales. And it has never been mentioned in the story before.
Translation being bad in my context refers not to the fact that all translations are bad or terrible, rather the way he added “Tales” in the name but then never clarify it is actually bad.
I said translation is abominable since it did not even clarify “Tales” part properly and looks more as it is added for no reasons. Since the whole context does not really refer to it.
Ya I did, but English translationFacepalm
Have you ever picked up a single Japanese Light Novel in your life?
Did not really clarify that「 Authority to end all worlds (tales)」is an ability name.IT-IS-CALLED-FURIGANA.
FOR-****-SAKE!
And what's wrong with the English translation? Do you even know the purpose of those Furigana? Or Katakana?Ya I did, but English translation
Did not really clarify that「 Authority to end all worlds (tales)」is an ability name.
But.... that's the way the sentence should be translated? What are you smoking here, bro?Again, my significance is that it is written as a name and not as a clarification or r>f relationship. Also, I actually clarified what is my point with “translation” but you again misunderstood it, so I don't much care repeating my point.
No one talked about translation being bad as in the literal sense, rather as in the context that leaves many interpretations.
Great argument. Let's ban all English translations and rely every single feats on RAWs then. RAW > Fan Translation > Official Translation ≥ MTL.This is based on name. It never ever clarified that he views worlds as tales. And it has never been mentioned in the story before.
Translation being bad in my context refers not to the fact that all translations are bad or terrible, rather the way he added “Tales” in the name but then never clarify it is actually bad.
I said translation is abominable since it did not even clarify “Tales” part properly and looks more as it is added for no reasons. Since the whole context does not really refer to it.