The Great Remnant Quest to Downgrade RWBY [Part 1]

[CurrySenpai]

Can someone apply the changes btw? The downgrade has long since been accepted

 

[Keeweed]

Here is the calc.

I know this is for a later thread but that quote is from amity arena. Which as far as I’m aware is 100% dead as in unplayable. It was a mobile game that got canned.

In fact it’s been dead for three years “On January 28, 2021, at 9:00 PST, the game's servers closed, and the game was shut down”

 

[Cire]

I know this is for a later thread but that quote is from amity arena. Which as far as I’m aware is 100% dead as in unplayable. It was a mobile game that got canned.

It is still canon to the verse and the wiki for it is still up. That's like saying a book shouldn't be useable for calcs because the author stopped writing it.

 

[Keeweed]

No it’s like if the book canon to the series stopped being sold and all copies were erased from exist. The game straight up doesn’t exist anymore.

It’s insane to have such a major speed feat for a show come from a mobile game that Roosterteeth up and deleted.

 

[Cire]

No it’s like if the book canon to the series stopped being sold and all copies were erased from exist. The game straight up doesn’t exist anymore.

And we still have the wiki for it that has all the data and spreads for the game. The game itself is lost media but the descriptions are not.

 

[Cire]

It’s insane to have such a major speed feat for a show come from a mobile game that Roosterteeth up and deleted.

I am not sure what you are arguing here. The descriptions of the game are still up. The game was confirmed as canon. It's like saying a feat from Super Mario 2 isn't usable because no one can get their hands on the game anymore. Even though there are records that the game existed and what was in it.

 

[Damage3245]

I know this is for a later thread but that quote is from amity arena. Which as far as I’m aware is 100% dead as in unplayable. It was a mobile game that got canned.

In fact it’s been dead for three years “On January 28, 2021, at 9:00 PST, the game's servers closed, and the game was shut down”

... Sure seems like it'd be simpler to me to just remove the scaling that is dependent on this game that no longer exists anymore and just scale based off of the series itself.

 

[Keeweed]

The game being gone is the more important part. It’s has been completely eradicated. Though I think this brings up a good topic for a thread on mobile games and secondary canon.

 

[Cire]

... Sure seems like it'd be simpler to me to just remove the scaling that is dependent on this game that no longer exists anymore and just scale based off of the series itself.

That makes abosoutly no sense. The game is canon. We cannot ignore canon feats. Blake and Adam block a particle beam in the main show as well. It's just that the description of that is in Amity Arena.

 

[Cire]

The game being gone is the more important part. It’s has been completely eradicated. Though I think this brings up a good topic for a thread on mobile games and secondary canon.

It is not. We know what happens in the game. We have a whole wiki dedicated to it. It is said to be canon. This should not even be a discussion.

 

[Homie890]

... Sure seems like it'd be simpler to me to just remove the scaling that is dependent on this game that no longer exists anymore and just scale based off of the series itself.

wait,didn't you close this thread?
oh,im tweaking,i thought this was the chainsaw man one,lmao

 

[Cire]

Where is it listed on this wiki that a canon game cannot be used for feats due to lack of accessibility?

 

[Cire]

The fact that the game shut down should not matter in if it is usable or not. It was canon to the series, thus useable. We have descpritons and proof it existed online. Being lost media does not make it non-canon and unusable.

 

[Keeweed]

I decided to just make a thread since this could apply to Skullgirls and dmc in the future and likely applies for like eu Star Wars and other big franchises. https://vsbattles.com/threads/deleted-secondary-canon.171014/

 

[CurrySenpai]

btw how do we know it’s canon because you guys love to say (this thing is canon!) but from what I can tell Ice Queendlme was stated to be “Canon Adjacent” and amity arena is a crossover game with gacha elements to make characters fit in.

 

[Cire]

btw how do we know it’s canon because you guys love to say (this thing is canon!) but from what I can tell Ice Queendlme was stated to be “Canon Adjacent” and amity arena is a crossover game with gacha elements to make characters fit in.

Here is the tweet saying it is canon.

 

[CurrySenpai]

Here is the tweet saying it is canon.

This does not inspire confidence “Most of what we put in the game.” So how do we differentiate what is and isn’t?

Most importantly, this is from a Twitter account and not some official statement, I hazard to think that this is really canon and not just social media jargon.

 

[Cire]

This does not inspire confidence “Most of what we put in the game.” So how do we differentiate what is and isn’t?

Most importantly, this is from a Twitter account and not some official statement, I hazard to think that this is really canon and not just social media jargon.

They directly say it’s canon and that the non canon stuff is Chibi. It’s hard to take your points seriously in the first place because you literally have been on a crusade to debunk RWBY. I have a clear statement here saying that the game and its descriptions are canon and are meant to expand on RWBY’s world, and you are trying to find any flaw with it you can.

 

[Cire]

This does not inspire confidence “Most of what we put in the game.” So how do we differentiate what is and isn’t?

Most importantly, this is from a Twitter account and not some official statement, I hazard to think that this is really canon and not just social media jargon.

Also it’s a Twitter account of the developers. They have no reason to lie.

 

[CurrySenpai]

They directly say it’s canon and that the non canon stuff is Chibi. It’s hard to take your points seriously in the first place because you literally have been on a crusade to debunk RWBY. I have a clear statement here saying that the game and its descriptions are canon and are meant to expand on RWBY’s world, and you are trying to find any flaw with it you can.

“Most of what we put in game is canon and approved by RT. (though chibi references are just there for fun)“

This does not read as the chibi references are non canon. This is “Most of the content we put in this game is canon, and those bits are approved by RT.”

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but things being “mostly canon” isn’t the best statement especially considering they did not give us a guide as to what is and isn’t.

Perhaps it’s best this game gets sniped to I don’t want uncertainties driving the scaling in this verse

 

[Cire]

“Most of what we put in game is canon and approved by RT. (though chibi references are just there for fun)“

This does not read as the chibi references are non canon. This is “Most of the content we put in this game is canon, and those bits are approved by RT.”

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but things being “mostly canon” isn’t the best statement especially considering they did not give us a guide as to what is and isn’t.

Perhaps it’s best this game gets sniped to I don’t want uncertainties driving the scaling in this verse

Again, you are arguing completely in bad faith. It is very clear what is and what is not canon. The chibi references are blatantly non canon. Chibi itself is non canon. You are trying to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Why in the world why the devs lie about the particle canon that the Spider Droid uses? It makes no sense. Especially when we know that lasers exist in RWBY. You are only trying to create distrust because, again you are an a vendetta against RWBY as a verse.

 

[Cire]

Here is another tweet saying that it is canon. With explicit mention that the bios are meant to be canon.

 

[Dalesean027]

“Most of what we put in game is canon and approved by RT. (though chibi references are just there for fun)“

This does not read as the chibi references are non canon. This is “Most of the content we put in this game is canon, and those bits are approved by RT

I don't see how you're taking this any other way its saying "mostly everything is canon and approved by RT but the rwby chibi bits are just there for fun"

The fact they explicitly say the Adam bit is canon especially makes it even more damning

 

[Cire]

Also, Qrow as a Valentines day costume in the game. Like there are holiday outfits for Christmas too. Obviously those are not canon.

 

[CurrySenpai]

Again, you are arguing completely in bad faith. It is very clear what is and what is not canon. The chibi references are blatantly non canon. Chibi itself is non canon. You are trying to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Why in the world why the devs lie about the particle canon that the Spider Droid uses? It makes no sense. Especially when we know that lasers exist in RWBY. You are only trying to create distrust because, again you are an a vendetta against RWBY as a verse.

Dude, stop getting worked up, I’ve remained calm this entire time and now you’re accusing me of something when I’m just being cautious of this statement.

You’re strawmanning that I think the devs are lying. I don’t think they’re lying I think they’re being game devs. They have to add new content to the game and give it descriptions, some of these supposedly just may not be approved their words not mine.

I don't see how you're taking this any other way its saying "mostly everything is canon and approved by RT but the rwby chibi bits are just there for fun"

That’s how I’m taking it Dale, you too have interpreted it as “MOSTLY everything is canon and approved by RT.” which once again does not inspire certainty.

If they had some sort of guide to what could be canon such as weapon or semblance descriptions and whatnot, I’d be fine with this, but I see nothing of the sort and that leaves it UNCERTAIN, which is not good for a game which hinges on this verses light speed rating.

Here is another tweet saying that it is canon. With explicit mention that the bios are meant to be canon.

they mention the word canon a grand total of 0 times. This games social media plays into it being a scroll game they are clearly referencing “Oh it’s like if you were in remnant, it’s meant for people in the world of remnant.”
This kind of ignores the context of how weird a game like Amity Arena would be if it was just a phone game in RWBY

 

[Dalesean027]

they mention the word canon a grand total of 0 times.

They say canon in the literal first 3 words of the post and explicitly mention adam shit to be canon

 

[Cire]

they mention the word canon a grand total of 0 times. This games social media plays into it being a scroll game they are clearly referencing “Oh it’s like if you were in remnant, it’s meant for people in the world of remnant.”
This kind of ignores the context of how weird a game like Amity Arena would be if it was just a phone game in RWBY

This is what I mean by saying you are arguing in bad faith. You completely ignore the fact that they literally say that the game is canon multiple times.

 

[CurrySenpai]

They say canon in the literal first 3 words of the post and explicitly mention adam shit to be canon

Oh wait I didn’t notice that lol.

Okay anyways, read my message barring that part but still. What they say is canon are character backstories, the fact it’s meant to be like a game people can play in universe Remnant, and character designs.

I see 0 mention of weaponry, skill, abilities, enemies, etc.

 

[CurrySenpai]

This is what I mean by saying you are arguing in bad faith. You completely ignore the fact that they literally say that the game is canon multiple times.

I genuinely didn’t see it bro, I make mistakes and I also just woke up. I’ll admit that I overlooked it lol.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Gonna be real, it is weird af thinking of a person of remnant playing a game where you have the white fang killing students from your own kingdom. Like, did they mean a game SIMILAR to this is played in Remnant but with different characters or do people literally have a game where they deploy “Ruby Rose” whoever that is.

 

[Cire]

Oh wait I didn’t notice that lol.

Okay anyways, read my message barring that part but still. What they say is canon are character backstories, the fact it’s meant to be like a game people can play in universe Remnant, and character designs.

I see 0 mention of weaponry, skill, abilities, enemies, etc.

Those are all included in the character bios. The particle cannon statement comes directly from the Spider Droid character boi.

 

[CurrySenpai]

Those are all included in the character bios. The particle cannon statement comes directly from the Spider Droid character boi.

Character BACKSTORIES. The spider droid as far as I can tell is not a living breathing character with a deep backstory and significance to RWBY’s overall plot.

Or perhaps we can add another heartless killing to Adam’s list. RIP spider droid, he leaves behind 3 amazing children and one wife.

 

[Cire]

Gonna be real, it is weird af thinking of a person of remnant playing a game where you have the white fang killing students from your own kingdom. Like, did they mean a game SIMILAR to this is played in Remnant but with different characters or do people literally have a game where they deploy “Ruby Rose” whoever that is.

According to the bios, they scan each student during the Vytal Tournament to get their info. Same thing with the Grimm. They captured Grimm and scanned them for the game. They are scientist working in Atlas when in the story. And the game shut down after V8, when Atlas was destroyed. So it lines up quite nicely in the end.

 

[Cire]

Character BACKSTORIES. The spider droid as far as I can tell is not a living breathing character with a deep backstory and significance to RWBY’s overall plot.

Or perhaps we can add another heartless killing to Adam’s list. RIP spider droid, he leaves behind 3 amazing children and one wife.

You are picking at straws here. It is clear that they meant the biographies. It's interchangeable with the backstories. They gave the history of the Spider Droid and what it can do.

 

[Cire]

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Human Nextwork was an in-universe game-development company which produced the Scroll version of RWBY: Amity Arena for Remnant. They were located in the former Kingdom of Atlas. The company was later destroyed alongside the Kingdom in "The Final Word". Partnering with the Atlesian Military, the...

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Apparently, the scientist that worked on the game also worked on Penny too.

 

[CurrySenpai]

You are picking at straws here. It is clear that they meant the biographies. It's interchangeable with the backstories. They gave the history of the Spider Droid and what it can do.

No because the statement says Character Backstories and I am following what the statement said. If they said Biographies or descriptions of Remnant characters and items I’d be like “Oh yeah that makes sense.” But they specifically say characters and list off actual characters like Adam and Heizle.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

According to the bios, they scan each student during the Vytal Tournament to get their info. Same thing with the Grimm. They captured Grimm and scanned them for the game. They are scientist working in Atlas when in the story. And the game shut down after V8, when Atlas was destroyed. So it lines up quite nicely in the end.

…so people know who Ilia is? Raven? Hell, Cinder and Maiden powers? Tyrian and the Nuckelavee???? How do they know about Jinn? Why is Arthur Watts here when he’s supposed to be completely off the grid and dead to them???

 

[Cire]

No because the statement says Character Backstories and I am following what the statement said. If they said Biographies or descriptions of Remnant characters and items I’d be like “Oh yeah that makes sense.” But they specifically say characters and list off actual characters like Adam and Heizle.

Also, in-unverse, like I said before, they are Atlas Scientist working on the game. So they would know exactly what the Spider Droid can do and what weaponry it has.

 

[CurrySenpai]

Also, in-unverse, like I said before, they are Atlas Scientist working on the game. So they would know exactly what the Spider Droid can do and what weaponry it has.

…so people know who Ilia is? Raven? Hell, Cinder and Maiden powers? Tyrian and the Nuckelavee???? How do they know about Jinn? Why is Arthur Watts here when he’s supposed to be completely off the grid and dead to them???

King of Wolves makes sense here, this game is completely nonsensical.

 

[Cire]

…so people know who Ilia is? Raven? Hell, Cinder and Maiden powers? Tyrian and the Nuckelavee???? How do they know about Jinn? Why is Arthur Watts here when he’s supposed to be completely off the grid and dead to them???

For Raven, they asked Qrow for his help. As for the others, I assume that's all there simply for gameplay purposes. Either way, WoG states that the game is canon either way.