RWBY - Semblance upgrades

[Spinoirr]

Yang and Adam
Yang's semblance varies depending on how much damage she has absorbed and can send back that stored energy twice as hard

Think of it kinda like Fa Jin but can send back the absorbed kinetic energy twice as hard



12:50

Yang can absorb multiple attacks from mercury back in Beacon and send back all her absorbed kinetic energy back twice as hard that broke Mercury's aura


In her fight with adam she not only absorbed multiple normal attacks from Adam, but also absorbed attacks from his semblance that acts just like her's (absorbing damage and sending it back twice as hard) and Yang absorbed it all for a devastating final attack that broke Adam's aura


how much she absorbed and sent back in Yang vs Mercury

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I'm gonna count t how many she gets hit with total as well as account for how many she blocks
Starts with a clash between her punch and his kick
She lands a shot on him, he lands a kick on her
Axe kick that she blocks
Gets hit by a backflip kick
Gets hit with three kicks
Another kick
After merc almost gets knocked off he lands 10-11 kicks
After he makes the swarm of dust projectiles he lands 4 more kicks
And then yang gets hit with the swarm of dust projectiles
So 22-23 hits plus the dust swarm (138 give or take a few)
So round figures she got hit ~150 times

next is how much attacks she absorbed from Adam and also how much attacks adam absorbed, sent back twice as hard

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starts off with adam blocking a shot and a punch from yang
yang blocks five hits from adam
then blocks adam's moonslice (2 hits stored)
and then another five hits
yang beats the shit out of adam but he blocks one hit
and another
and yang's flurry of punches, i counted eight
and then he blocks another hit after that, and then three shots from yang
he then hits yang with moonslice which she withstands (13x amp)
adam then absorbs another hit and launches Yang
Another moonslice hit (2x amp)
then the 2v1
adam blocks a hit from blake but adam also hits yang
adam blocks another
and another
after blake gets launched its back to adam vs yang
adam hits yang three times
and then another two
and then hits her with another moonslice (3x amp) and then another normal hit
and then yang unleashes Burn
Yang was hit 35 times, doubled to 70 thanks to adam's semblance

Remember Yang and Adam have basically the same semblance expect adam absorbs attacks through his sword and not his body like Yang, meaning their limits of their semblances should be the same, also both can send back all their absorbed damage back twice as hard

tldr Yang and Adam's semblances varies between two times and 140 times

Nora
now Nora's is simple her power varies depending on how much electricity she absorbs

so Nora's keys for her semblance will look like this "Veries, Higher to Far Higher with semblance" and just for her post haven key its "Varies, Higher to Low 7-B with semblance"

also it boosts her speed too

seeing as her semblance ranges from stomping others to harming Hazel who is low 7-B when her base was 7-C and smashing down a door not even Weiss' summon can break through at max

Mercury vs Yang extra

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This first youtube comment brings up a good point and second comment should be noted In his skill section

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good.

 

[Theglassman12]

Not sure why we’re taking this “twice as hard” damage amp literally when 4 hits from either fight would’ve been enough for Yang to oneshot either opponents if that were true. She just gets stronger the more she gets hit.

Nora tossing around Hazel doesn’t really convince me she scales when Hazel is barely harmed by her and she gets winded while commenting on how he’s barely able to go down.

Ok? First off a YouTube comment section doesn’t really mean much here, plus it doesn’t tell me anything about skill at all, just that he was holding back and was thrown off by her Semblance.

 

[Spinoirr]

Not sure why we’re taking this “twice as hard” damage amp literally when 4 hits from either fight would’ve been enough for Yang to oneshot either opponents if that were true. She just gets stronger the more she gets hit.

Nora tossing around Hazel doesn’t really convince me she scales when Hazel is barely harmed by her and she gets winded while commenting on how he’s barely able to go down.

Ok? First off a YouTube comment section doesn’t really mean much here, plus it doesn’t tell me anything about skill at all, just that he was holding back and was thrown off by her Semblance.

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3:55

Also it was literally accepted

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Hell even the RWBY wiki says she sends back her absorbed energy back twice as hard

Yang has the ability to absorb energy from the damage she has taken, and redirect it twice as hard at her opponent, effectively making her stronger with each hit she takes.

Adam's semblance is just like Yangs

Its stated to work that way multiple times by multiple different sources, why wouldnt we take it literally for Yang when we do for characters Deku, Fat Gum, and Ohma? And 4 hits wouldnt have been enough in either fight because Aura prevents that from happening. 'She just gets stronger the more she gets hit' isnt how her semblance works at all, its not a gradual or passive power creep, she stores all the energy she gets hit with and then sends it back twice as hard when she activates her semblance.

He's 'barely harmed' and hard to put down because his semblance dulls any pain he feels and his huge aura reserve gives him better regeneration than almost anyone in the series. Nora was still able to overpower him pinning her to the ground, flip him over her head, and then send him flying with a hammer blow. She was winded because she had just taken a good 10 seconds of concentrated lightning from a guy tens of times stronger than her directly to the skull, absorbing electricity that powerful still hurts her and damages her aura, similar to what happened in Volume 8.

 

[Spinoirr]

Yangs semblance at max power has always one shot peoples auras, that let them survive multiple attacks from characters in a different tier, like literally everyone in the battle of haven getting stomped but surviving hazel's attacks and more battles that are listed on the Aura page on the wiki

 

[Theglassman12]

You do know oneshots are a 7.5X difference on the wiki right? The fact she has to take numerous blows that’s more than 4 to remotely reach that level doesn’t tell me that we should take the twice as hard statement that seriously if hundreds of hits are needed for her to get into oneshot range for their aura.

 

[Cire]

You do know oneshots are a 7.5X difference on the wiki right? The fact she has to take numerous blows that’s more than 4 to remotely reach that level doesn’t tell me that we should take the twice as hard statement that seriously if hundreds of hits are needed for her to get into oneshot range for their aura.

I mean that’s literally how it works tbh. You’re arguing against the canon of the series.

 

[Spinoirr]

You do know oneshots are a 7.5X difference on the wiki right? The fact she has to take numerous blows that’s more than 4 to remotely reach that level doesn’t tell me that we should take the twice as hard statement that seriously if hundreds of hits are needed for her to get into oneshot range for their aura.

12:50

Dude, Aura literally let's characters that are 7-C on the show survive attacks from low 7-B (17:39) (also RNJR vs Tyrian aka high 8-C vs low 7-B although they got stomped worse then in the battle of haven because they were weaker) characters and multiple attacks from characters stronger then them

Also the wiki's own view of a one shot doesn't equal what other shows have for a one shot and it's not like they have a aura that let's a 7-C character survive attacks from a low 7-B

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

You do know oneshots are a 7.5X difference on the wiki right? The fact she has to take numerous blows that’s more than 4 to remotely reach that level doesn’t tell me that we should take the twice as hard statement that seriously if hundreds of hits are needed for her to get into oneshot range for their aura.

Small detail, but there is a thread downgrading the oneshot gap to 5x since the baseline for 10-B was upgraded to 60 Joules a while back and One-shot gap is based on the difference between a baseline 9-C and a baseline 10-B. Not writing any argument, just specifying a slight difference.

 

[Spinoirr]

You do know oneshots are a 7.5X difference on the wiki right? The fact she has to take numerous blows that’s more than 4 to remotely reach that level doesn’t tell me that we should take the twice as hard statement that seriously if hundreds of hits are needed for her to get into oneshot range for their aura.

Also Glass I have a upcoming CRT to fix any "plot holes" with this, with aura's max durability. This CRT just will lead into that CRT

It won't affect any matches because we already accept that aura let's characters take multiple attacks from people stronger then them and it won't affect anything because aura still takes chip damage. It's literally just to find and list Aura's max durability limit before getting one shot and list it as "varies between higher and up to xxxx"

 

[ImmortalDread]

You do know oneshots are a 7.5X difference on the wiki right? The fact she has to take numerous blows that’s more than 4 to remotely reach that level doesn’t tell me that we should take the twice as hard statement that seriously if hundreds of hits are needed for her to get into oneshot range for their aura.

Only in vs. matches, not in the verse-contextual framework. Each verse has its own definition for this term. We only determinate this value because of our vs. threads policies to create fair, consistent matches between characters from different verses.

 

[Spinoirr]

Only in vs. matches, not in the verse-contextual framework.

Yeah, like for example in dragon ball the one shot gap is 2 times. It varies between different series, that's just there for a universal one shot gap for our wiki

 

[Theglassman12]

@Cire That doesn't change my point that arguing she gets constant double multiplier with every hit makes her jump tiers when it can lead to inconsistencies like characters that are stronger being threatened by something weaker than said amp. At best this is just "higher with semblance".

@Spinoirr make one post instead of making numerous posts. Using Cinder who's toying with Jaune the entire fight is not helping your case when she looks down on him and isn't even trying. Same with Tyrian as he's messing with them the entire time and only took the fight seriously when Qrow came in to help. What even is your point here? Because you're literally arguing for weaker characters to survive against stronger people with Aura.

Ok, have fun with that CRT.

@DarkDragonMedeus ok so that just makes the amp argument for oneshot even worse by the wiki standards then.

@ImmortalDread We still abide by this rule even with scaling, albeit to a smaller difference than 7.5 for the sake of lowballing but I digress.

 

[Deagonx]

Glass makes sense to me here.

 

[Spinoirr]

Glass makes sense to me here.

How so? We do the same thing for Deku, Fat Gum, and Ohma. So why not Yang and Adam?

Like literally Aura existing as a forcefield that let's characters survive multiple attacks and acts like a health bar basically fixes any plot holes with this

Also Yangs semblance at max has always one shot anyone's aura

 

[ImmortalDread]

@ImmortalDread We still abide by this rule even with scaling, albeit to a smaller difference than 7.5 for the sake of lowballing but I digress.

We abide this specific rule in vs. matches (it says “One-shots in versus threads”). If you check the rest of the page, it does not specify any value outside of it. In fact, it specifies different methods to convey “one shot” and its general accepted definition (not value as there is none obviously and logically speaking)

And no we don't even follow it in powerscaling either. Perhaps, you are outdated in this regard.

I'm not here to contradict your general viewpoint, but I'm highlighting a flaw that arises from defining a value and then inversely applying it in scaling, which lacks logical coherence.

 

[Spinoirr]

BTW aura would look like this

Large Building level, Varies from higher up to Small Town level at peak with Aura (Aura functions as a forcefield with a cumulative durability, depicted as a 'health bar', and allows her to take dozens of hits from opponents as strong as herself without any significant injury. Aura's damage cap is 300 times, due to character's aura protecting them from Yang's semblance at max power) | Large Building level+, Varies from higher up to Small Town level at peak with Aura | Town level, Varies from higher up to City level at peak with Aura | Small City Level, Varies from higher up to Mountain level (baseline Mountain level) at peak with Aura

Yang still gets one shot by adams semblance in vol 3 via Adam being Town level in base, it actually makes sense of how the hell the main characters survived multiple attacks from Hazel and Leo in vol 5, also the bomb can just be listed as at least mountain level as that thing was also going to blow up mantels crater as well where the civilians are (something that isn't in the og calc) and killed Vine despite his base line mountain level aura blocking the blast long enough for minimal damage before dying also like we kinda don't know how big the explosion and its affects would be if it actually did go off in Mantle like it was supposed to and hell it was ment for the whale too, the same whale that it needed a above baseline 7-A blast to die to. So honestly listing that bomb as at least 7-A makes more sense given we never seen that bomb going off without it being contained

So how does it lead to inconsistencies? Yang has stomped everyone she has fought with her Semblance active, how is it an inconsistency that people weaker than Yang's fully charged semblance are able to be hurt by things weaker than her fully charged semblance? Her semblance canonically doubles the energy she gets hit by, there is no reason to just ignore it for no reason. And in this specific case, 'higher' isnt even a correct rating because Yang has a set and known damage limit, so a solid 'up to' or 'at most' rating can be applied.

Tyrian was actively trying to kill everyone there, and there are other instances like Hazel trying to kill everyone at Haven and Amber trying to kill Cinder's team, yet they all were able to withstand their attacks due to their Aura. It is canonically a mechanic of the verse that weaker characters can survive against stronger people with Aura.

 

[SeijiSetto]

I'm not knowledgeable about RWBY but...
Do you have a source for the "twice as hard" figure that isn't just the wiki? Because on that page, it doesn't have a reference linking to scans or such, and literally anybody could have written it there with no proof.

 

[Spinoirr]

Actually yeah, I'm Right

That whale is stronger then baseline Mountain level

• Monstra's Attack Potency - 186.37 Megatons of TNT (Mountain level)

and the bomb was ment to kill the whale, meaning the bomb is above their max aura durability in universe, meaning it isn't a plot hole how vines aura contained the bomb before dying in the blast because it was just above his max aura durability limit

 

[Spinoirr]

I'm not knowledgeable about RWBY but...
Do you have a source for the "twice as hard" figure that isn't just the wiki? Because on that page, it doesn't have a reference linking to scans or such, and literally anybody could have written it there with no proof.

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[GarrixianXD]

I tend to disagree with Glassman. I agree with this.

 

[Spinoirr]

I tend to disagree with Glassman. I agree with this.

Yeah, this basically fits plot holes and outliers basically and actually makes sense surprisingly enough basied on my points above

 

[Cire]

So what is the basic summary of the argument?

 

[Spinoirr]

So what is the basic summary of the argument?

Tldr Yang and Adam's semblances can absorb energy, store it and send it back twice as hard

Yang absorbed 150ish attacks from mercury and send it back twice as hard and basically one shot stomped mercury, Yangs semblance at max power has always one shot anyone's aura each time

BTW aura would look like this

Large Building level, Varies from higher up to Small Town level at peak with Aura (Aura functions as a forcefield with a cumulative durability, depicted as a 'health bar', and allows her to take dozens of hits from opponents as strong as herself without any significant injury. Aura's damage cap is 300 times, due to character's aura protecting them from Yang's semblance at max power) | Large Building level+, Varies from higher up to Small Town level at peak with Aura | Town level, Varies from higher up to City level at peak with Aura | Small City Level, Varies from higher up to Mountain level (baseline Mountain level) at peak with Aura

Yang still gets one shot by adams semblance in vol 3 via Adam being Town level in base, it actually makes sense of how the hell the main characters survived multiple attacks from Hazel and Leo in vol 5, also the bomb can just be listed as at least mountain level as that thing was also going to blow up mantels crater as well where the civilians are (something that isn't in the og calc) and killed Vine despite his base line mountain level aura blocking the blast long enough for minimal damage before dying also like we kinda don't know how big the explosion and its affects would be if it actually did go off in Mantle like it was supposed to and hell it was ment for the whale too, the same whale that it needed a above baseline 7-A blast to die to. So honestly listing that bomb as at least 7-A makes more sense given we never seen that bomb going off without it being contained

So how does it lead to inconsistencies? Yang has stomped everyone she has fought with her Semblance active, how is it an inconsistency that people weaker than Yang's fully charged semblance are able to be hurt by things weaker than her fully charged semblance? Her semblance canonically doubles the energy she gets hit by, there is no reason to just ignore it for no reason. And in this specific case, 'higher' isnt even a correct rating because Yang has a set and known damage limit, so a solid 'up to' or 'at most' rating can be applied.

Tyrian was actively trying to kill everyone there, and there are other instances like Hazel trying to kill everyone at Haven and Amber trying to kill Cinder's team, yet they all were able to withstand their attacks due to their Aura. It is canonically a mechanic of the verse that weaker characters can survive against stronger people with Aura.

Actually yeah, I'm Right

That whale is stronger then baseline Mountain level

• Monstra's Attack Potency - 186.37 Megatons of TNT (Mountain level)

and the bomb was ment to kill the whale, meaning the bomb is above their max aura durability in universe, meaning it isn't a plot hole how vines aura contained the bomb before dying in the blast because it was just above his max aura durability limit

I bring up any possible plot holes this would make and debunk them and explain how it actually fixes stuff that aren't on the profiles such as the 7-C character surviving attacks from low 7-B's in the battle of haven when they do have a aura up

Also how vines aura lasted long enough to contain that bomb that was ment to kill a 186.37 whale grimm despite dying to the bomb, it's because his Aura's max durability limit was 100 megatons, meaning the bomb killed him after it broke his aura but not before his aura contained the bomb before dying

 

[Spinoirr]

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3:55

Also it was literally accepted

Spoiler

Hell even the RWBY wiki says she sends back her absorbed energy back twice as hard

Yang has the ability to absorb energy from the damage she has taken, and redirect it twice as hard at her opponent, effectively making her stronger with each hit she takes.

Adam's semblance is just like Yangs

Its stated to work that way multiple times by multiple different sources, why wouldnt we take it literally for Yang when we do for characters Deku, Fat Gum, and Ohma? And 4 hits wouldnt have been enough in either fight because Aura prevents that from happening. 'She just gets stronger the more she gets hit' isnt how her semblance works at all, its not a gradual or passive power creep, she stores all the energy she gets hit with and then sends it back twice as hard when she activates her semblance.

He's 'barely harmed' and hard to put down because his semblance dulls any pain he feels and his huge aura reserve gives him better regeneration than almost anyone in the series. Nora was still able to overpower him pinning her to the ground, flip him over her head, and then send him flying with a hammer blow. She was winded because she had just taken a good 10 seconds of concentrated lightning from a guy tens of times stronger than her directly to the skull, absorbing electricity that powerful still hurts her and damages her aura, similar to what happened in Volume 8.

Yangs semblance at max power has always one shot peoples auras, that let them survive multiple attacks from characters in a different tier, like literally everyone in the battle of haven getting stomped but surviving hazel's attacks and more battles that are listed on the Aura page on the wiki

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Aura literally let's characters that are 7-C on the show survive attacks from low 7-B (17:39) (also RNJR vs Tyrian aka high 8-C vs low 7-B although they got stomped worse then in the battle of haven because they were weaker) characters and multiple attacks from characters stronger then them

Also the wiki's own view of a one shot doesn't equal what other shows have for a one shot and it's not like they have a aura that let's a 7-C character survive attacks from a low 7-B

 

[Cire]

I see I see. So would this mean their dura is higher than their AP?

 

[Cire]

Also, the bomb calc was wrong?

 

[Spinoirr]

Also, the bomb calc was wrong?

Well it's more like the Bomb scales above the whale durability as it was ment to kill it

 

[Spinoirr]

I see I see. So would this mean their dura is higher than their AP?

Only their aura's max durability before their aura gets one shot basically

It protects them once from a 300× powerful attack before breaking and getting one shot

But that's for the CRT after this one as this one will lead into that one

 

[Cire]

Well it's more like the Bomb scales above the whale durability as it was ment to kill it

I see. I’ve seen some issues with the whale calc due to it sliding onto the ground instead of coming to an immediate stop, which makes me hesitant.

 

[Spinoirr]

I see. I’ve seen some issues with the whale calc due to it sliding onto the ground instead of coming to an immediate stop, which makes me hesitant.

Well to be fair that's its KE in the Air when flying, not landing and getting slowed down by sliding on the ground

 

[Cire]

Well to be fair that's its KE in the Aura when flying, not landing and getting slowed down by sliding on the ground

Why would the KE when it’s flying matter? It didn’t have to impact any thorn while flying.

 

[Spinoirr]

Why would the KE when it’s flying matter? It didn’t have to impact any thorn while flying.

Nope, it's ke can be used when it's flying or moving

That's what the calc did and it got accepted

 

[Cire]

Nope, it's ke can be used when it's flying or moving

That's what the calc did and it got accepted

So it is just him just existing that makes him that durable?

 

[Spinoirr]

So it is just him just existing that makes him that durable?

Yeah, we do this to a lot of large size characters

 

[Cire]

Yeah, we do this to a lot of large size characters

I see I see. So it doesn’t matter that it didn’t crash into anything? Just the fact that it can support its own size is enough?

 

[Spinoirr]

I see I see. So it doesn’t matter that it didn’t crash into anything? Just the fact that it can support its own size is enough?

Yeah basically and the fact it can survive flying at that speed despite its weight

 

[Cire]

I see I see. That makes sense.

 

[Cire]

The only reservation I have left is that Ironwood indicates that the inside of Monstra would be weaker than the outside.

 

[Spinoirr]

The only reservation I have left is that Ironwood indicates that the inside of Monstra would be weaker than the outside.

To be fair he just assumes that, also it would have one shot killed it meaning it would scale above the whales durability just like how Oscar's KE nuke does