Tbh even I say don't scale them to the bomb
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? If Vine’s aura could contain it, and characters like Yang could straight up beat him and contend with characters who are narratively stronger than Vine, like the Maidens, then they’d scale to his aura feat.
This way it doesn't change the power gap between full power Maidens and atlas arc characters + explains how they can survive multiple hits from full power Maiden without Aura to protect them from stronger attacks (Examples: Weiss and Winter) as Full Power Maidens do stomp them but not to the point of a one shot difference
Again, I wouldn’t say they stomped them. Weiss was directly said in the director’s commentary to be able to hold her own.
Yeah, hold her off with summons to block attacks but her attacks were not really affective
Figured, I remember it being mentioned she scratched it in an old Dargoo CRT which is why I was asking.
I mean the bomb in Android 16 is dumb tbh
Like how is a bomb thats compared to a nuke by bulma able to kill star level characters ☠
If she was able to hold her off and block her attacks, then that’s not a stomp. A stomp would be just being taken out within the first second. And if we scale her to Winter, her sister was straight up able to cut off her Grimm arm. While it had no aura to directly protect it, it was still tough enough to support her maiden strength and powers.
Again, yall are ignoring how the verses’ powers work. Vine had to have been powering that bubble with his own aura for it to even work. And none of that had been addressed at all.
Well I decided to go by your own points one by one after watching the fights in question, so let's see if they can scale to Maidens or not:
So this is confusing to me because earlier in the fight, Cinder is able to quite honestly overwhelm Team RWBY in a 1v4 fight yet Weiss does better in a 1v1 and survives an explosion from Cinder WITHOUT Aura? I'm not going to lie, I find that pretty fishy. Plus the director's commentary doesn't mean much to me because based off how she performed, Weiss can only hold her own for a meager amount of time and not to such an extent that it qualifies for downscaling.
I watched the fight in question and "defeat" in context is after Amber's Aura is shattered and she's shot in the back with an arrow from Cinder. I'd also like to mention that whenever Amber used her Maiden abilities, she'd easily blow the three away and overwhelm them collectively so I don't think this means much.
Same issue as the Amber situation: Penny was only able to be restrained after Marrow used his Semblance to freeze her in place and, up until that point, was able to fend off the Ace Ops' collective assault without signs of her Aura being damaged. Plus every time she used her Maiden powers, she'd blow them back overwhelmingly so it's not like they defeated her directly.
Cinder's arm isn't protected by Aura unlike the rest of her body because it's Grimm, this was something stated by Raven in V5 after she broke one of Cinder's swords and one of the shards pierced through her arm. Also I saw the fight and, honestly, how can it be said that Winter held her off when she AND Penny were getting their asses handed to them either individually and together? That fight showed that Cinder was above both of them till Penny became the Winter Maiden.
Anyways yeah, I agree they don't scale to the bomb but as I said
Maybe, but, when literally everyone is like "yeah we'll die", I don't quite think scaling to the bomb is what the writers had in mind.
So, you’re literally looking at Weiss contending with Cinder, along with the creators directly stating they she is able to contend with Cinder, and saying “Nah?” With Amber it’s even worse. You literally see Cinder break her aura with her arrows and just ignore it too? Like, I don’t see the logic at all.
And I’m saying that Vine still contains it. Like, we can see he contains it. And he does so by his aura. Which every single character does uses. I get the narrative angle you are going at. But we cannot just ignore that Vine contained the bomb with his own aura as part of the narrative too.
Weiss took a bloodlusted hits from Cinder and lived. Amber was using her full power against Team CME and still lost. Pyrrha, again, forced Cinder to using a nuclear option by summoning the Grimm Dragon.
Yes, as part of a sacrificial ploy, a thing he would not have needed to do if everyone could just use theirs to tank the bomb anyway. The very premise for why he had to do that, is because they do not scale. If they did like you're arguing, he would never have had to.
I can concede that her Grimm arm isn't much weaker then her durability, but again she did overwhelm Winter and Penny in that fight and was caught off guard so I still it's pretty dubious to say that Winter "held" her own
Well when I see Weiss struggling earlier in the fight when she had her teammates and Penny by her side, yet is able to later contend with Cinder solo and survived an explosion with no Aura? Yeah I think it's bullshit based off what's established in even that same fight, and I don't think the creators' statements mean much when in context it's shown she can only do so for a very short amount of time and not any significant time.
When I see Amber being able to overwhelm Cinder, Emerald, and Mercury with her Maiden powers even with her Aura broken? Yeah I don't get either why that matters, especially when Amber was getting mind bended by Emerald's Semblance a few times during that fight.
So you’re basically saying you know more than the series director’s? I’m sorry but that is ridiculous. As for the Weiss thing, that’s even more absurd since Team RWBY were still able to keep up with Cinder. Like, Cinder wasn’t one shotting them all. They were still fighting.
The Bomb was going to hit Mantle as well, full of civilians. Thats another big reason why they were freaking out. If it were just them, they would just get on the airship and fly out of there. Qrow tries to turn the autopilot off, spending precious seconds that he could be escaping to try and save the people below. I am saying that this is the best scaling feat we got at this level for RWBY. And it being this sacrificial ploy like you said works as a very high end for RWBY. Like, if they had to put all of their energy into one attack.
Okay first of all, I didn't insinuate that I know more then the directors in my comment. My only claim was that their statement of Weiss being able to hold her own for a bit isn't really good evidence for comparability, especially when it contradicts how she did earlier in the fight when she had people assiting her.
You know what I think is more absurd then that? The idea that Weiss can somehow do better in a 1v1 against someone who, just minutes ago, was fending her and her teammates off without much effort and was fighting comparably to Maiden Penny. You don't need to one shot someone in order to be much stronger then them FYI, especially when Cinder is fighting off four Huntresses simultaneously without any struggle on her part would indicate that she was significantly above them.
That'd be a fair point if they weren't included in that number count, the issue would not be "oh we're all gonna die" it'd become "oh no we have to save the civilians", from what I've seen that isn't how that sequence of events was portrayed. Worst-case scenario, why even fly away, spend all the time they could trying to save innocents and when the bomb explodes, just tank it yeah? Worse case, they've saved lives that would have died.
And that is the issue, "hey here's this attack that will kill us, that is way beyond everything we scale to at this point, oh but we DO scale to it, we just lied about it killing us". Why even say it poses a threat to them? If they can tank it but expend all their aura, well so what? That happens all the time.
Believe me, this isn’t me going “le big number.” I think the Oscar feat and the Salem geyser feat are bull. It’s me legitimately believing in the scaling. Also, how would they try to save innocents if they only had thirty seconds left? Qrow said that the autopilot was locked, so they couldn’t just fly the plane away.
Aren't they literally hypersonic?
And that's why it's bad and we won't use it.
All I got from that was dudes that can beat him, can fight dudes way above him, so it's ok to scale him to the bomb that was going to kill everyone and then off him.
I'd much rather discuss whatever it is you're getting at yes.
What? You mean like making it so the blast couldn't expand completely? Yeah, if anything whatever is containing it would be even more impressive, due to surface area and preventing the expansion and not, ya know, breaking.
