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Quick question is there some bit of the lore that I missed which would make whirlwind sprint do something cooler than just launch you forward
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Paul Frank said:Quick question is there some bit of the lore that I missed which would make whirlwind sprint do something cooler than just launch you forward
FeelsbadmanCrabwhale said:Not really.
Who the Hell uses Whirlwind Sprint?
TacticalNuke002 said:Since thu'um is unrestricted in lore, Dovah runs across Tamriel at Sanic speeds and makes the Barry Allens and Wally Wests very jealous
Your last sentence makes no sence. "We don't accept ftl speeds for objects with KE". My punch has KE and if i have striking speed thats faster then light does that mean that i can't use my punchPaul Frank said:TacticalNuke002 said:Since thu'um is unrestricted in lore, Dovah runs across Tamriel at Sanic speeds and makes the Barry Allens and Wally Wests very jealoustoo bad flash can turn while sprinting ovo
@meta not 1-B with infinite speed because dovahkiins bow isn't as strong as when it was used on Lorkhan and from what I've seen we don't accept faster than ftl speeds for objects with KE
As long as they have cosmic awareness.StarSlayer666 said:I think the Imperial Guards should have a profile, just saying.
Search Oblivion Guards on Jokes battle wikiaStarSlayer666 said:Range: Extended Melee Range, Continental with cosmic awareness (can perceive law breaking and crimes all over Tamriel)
Stamina: High (Can pursue criminal scum for days)
Sermons Five and Six |
In the Lessons, Vivec and Nerevar first meet during Sermon 5, which already has references that can be linked to the Nerevarine and CHIM. These are the first words Vivec says to Nerevar: "You can hear the words, so run away Come Hortator, unfold into a clear unknown, Stay quiet until you've slept in the yesterday, And say no elegies for the melting stone." Vivec tells Nerevar to "unfold into a clear unknown", which is the opposite of what happens to an Ehlnofey in Sermon 4, who folds himself so much he's reduced to nothing but his "milk" (DNA), his purest essence. In contrast, by unfolding Nerevar will evolve in complexity until he becomes an unknown, unpredictable force of change, like Vivec. Vivec tells Nerevar to "sleep in the yesterday", which is already a reference to the Nerevarine, who's being asked to immerse themselves in their past life as Nerevar. And Vivec also tells Nerevar to "say no elegies for the melting stone", which is referring to the transformation of the solid and static to the liquid and mutable, which is attained through fire, a symbol for divine enlightnment in 36 Lessons. Vivec's only spoken four lines to Nerevar and already the attainment of CHIM is being set up. Next is Sermon 6, which is entirely composed of a long, introductory speech Vivec delivered to Nerevar. It has a lot of fascinating ideas about the ALMSIVI, and also introduces the concept of the Six Walking Ways, but for the purposes of this discussion we need only focus on a few lines: "There will be a splendor in your name when it is said to be true. Six are the guardians of Veloth, three before and they are born again, and they will test you until you have the proper tendencies of a hero. There is a world that is sleeping and you must guard against it." Vivec speaks of a splendor hidden within Nerevar's name. This is a direct reference to CHIM, which primarily means "Royalty", but can also be translated to "Starlight" and "High Splendor". This splendor will only come when "it is said to be true", as in, when the Incarnate finally becomes the Nerevarine and takes the mantle of Hortator. Until then, the splendor in their name won't be realized. Vivec speaks of the six guardians of Veloth, the Three Good Daedra and the Tribunal Gods, and he says that they will test him (The Nerevarine) until he becomes a true Hero. Finally, Vivec speaks of a world that is sleeping that Nerevar must guard against. This is a direct reference to Dagoth Ur, the dreaming dead god who is prophecized to be defeated by the Nerevarine. By this point I don't think there's any lingering doubt that these sermons are intended for the Nerevarine, and not Nerevar. |
Sermons Eleven, Thirteen, and Fifteen |
Finally, we reach Sermons 11, 13, and 15. Together they are called "The Three Lessons of Ruling Kings", and they are where the real meat of the analysis is found. So let's dive deep into them. "The waking world is the amnesia of dream. All motifs can be mortally wounded. Once slain, themes turn into the structure of future nostalgia. Do not abuse your powers or they will lead you astray. They will become lost and resentful and finally become pregnant with the seed of folly. Soon you will be the grandparent of a broken state. You will be mocked. It will fall apart like a stone that recalls that it is really water." Vivec begins the Lessons by establishing that the Universe is a Dream, and that by understanding this one may learn to manipulate all themes and motifs of reality, but he also warns that these powers can't be abused lest you fall apart. This is talking about CHIM and Zero-Sum, quite clearly. "Ordeals you should face unimpeded by the world of restriction. The splendor of stars is Ayem's domain. The selfishness of the sea is Seht's. I rule the middle air. All else is earth and under your temporal command. There is no bone that cannot be broken, except for the heart bone. You will see it twice in your lifetimes. Take what you can the first time and let us do the rest." Again he talks about how Nerevar will have control over the world, ruling it while unbound by restrictions. He also mentions the Heart Bone (The Heart of Lorkhan), which the Hortator will see twice in their lifetimes, first as Nerevar and then as the Nerevarine. "The ruling king is armored head to toe in brilliant flame. He is redeemed by each act he undertakes. His death is only a diagram back to the waking world. He sleeps the second way. The Sharmat is his double, and therefore you wonder if you rule nothing. Hortator and Sharmat, one and one, eleven, an inelegant number. Which of the ones is the more important? Could you ever tell if they switched places? I can and that is why you will need me." Vivec names the Hortator (The Nerevarine) as the Ruling King, who is adorned in brilliant flame and who can escape to the waking world. He also names the Sharmat (Dagoth Ur) as his opposite, and how together they are the "One and One, Eleven". This is stabilizing the sacred numerology of the Lessons and how they relate to CHIM. In Sermon 29, 11 is listed as the number of the Master (Ruling King), while 1 is the number of the Tower (The "I", the individual), and 2 is the number of the Enantiomorph (Rebel and King opposing one anothers). 11 is 1 and 1. 1 + 1 = 2, and 1 - 1 = 0. To become a Ruling King, the Nerevarine must overcome his double and stand above this dualism. "The sword is the cross and ALMSIVI is the Triune house around it. If there is to be an end I must be removed. The ruling king must know this, and I will test him. I will murder him time and again until he knows this. I am the defender of the last and the last." Vivec speaks about how he must be removed in order for the end to be reached. This is because Vivec is a Ruling King, and as established before, the Ruling King is unique, he is One, and thus can have no equivalent. The Nerevarine therefore must surpass Vivec in order to become the new Ruling King. Vivec also speaks of testing and murdering the Nerevarine again and again until they realize their goal, referring to the False Incarnates. "The ruling king is to stand against me and then before me. He is to learn from my punishment. I will mark him to know. He is to come as male or female. I am the form he must acquire. Because a ruling king that sees in another his equivalent rules nothing." The idea is repeated once again. Vivec will stand against the Nerevarine until he is overcome, because the Ruling King must have no equivalent. He also speaks of how the Nerevarine will come as either male or female, but ultimately must become like Vivec (Both male and female simultaneously while also transcending them), a reference to the fact that he who attains CHIM transcends duality. "The ruling king will remove me, his maker. This is the way of all children. His greatest enemy is the Sharmat, who is the false dreamer. You or he is the shingle, Hortator. Beware the wrong walking path. Beware the crime of benevolence. Behold him by his words. (...) You alone, though you come again and again, can unmake him. Whether I allow it is within my wisdom. Go unarmed into his den with these words of power: AE GHARTOK PADHOME [CHIM] AE ALTADOON. Or do not. The temporal myth is man. Reach heaven by violence. This magic I give to you: the world you will rule is only an intermittent hope and you must be the letter written in uncertainty." Again the ideas are repeated. The Nerevarine must overcome both their antecedent Vivec and their double Dagoth Ur to become the Ruling King. And to succeeded in doing so they must attain CHIM, here spelled out explicitly through a phrase in Ehlnofex (Translated to "The Hands of Change are the Weapons of Royalty"). Vivec also states that the Nerevarine must "Reach Heaven by Violence", because only through their pain and suffering can they attain transcendence (This is a key part of Vivec's philosophy, see Sermon 32 for more). Finally, he says that the Nerevarine must be "a letter written in uncertainty", which is a term Vivec used to describe himself in Sermon 4, referring to how as a Ruling King he is unbound by laws, restrictions and definitions, and thus cannot be measured or predicted. |