The Elder Scrolls Half-Time Revisions

[VersusJunkie54]

If there are more worthwhile TES feats to calc for the characters/entities who aren't well into some > Tier 3 nonsense, send them my way.

 

[Keeweed]

I really don’t like using the mythical creature with varying sizes versus the guy in the shot. That was specifically the problem the last 9-A version had in my thread. Though I guess we can see what calc members think this time around.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

If there are more worthwhile TES feats to calc for the characters/entities who aren't well into some > Tier 3 nonsense, send them my way.

How much grip strength does it take to snap someone's neck/spine? One of the stealth kill animations you can do to people is the Dragonborn putting the target in a submission hold and then just a loud crack fills the air.

 

[Keeweed]

How much grip strength does it take to snap someone's neck/spine? One of the stealth kill animations you can do to people is the Dragonborn putting the target in a submission hold and then just a loud crack fills the air.

The Dovahkiin should scale way higher, Miraak pushed an island. Though for beginning game, with proper leverage it isn’t a feat. The werewolf Dovahkiin can be class 5 for decapitating people through grip strength.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I really don’t like using the mythical creature with varying sizes versus the guy in the shot. That was specifically the problem the last 9-A version had in my thread. Though I guess we can see what calc members think this time around.

The perspective makes calculating it at best iffy to begin with. But without this, TES Low-Tiers would probably be 9-C to 9-B unless there are more feats.

How much grip strength does it take to snap someone's neck/spine? One of the stealth kill animations you can do to people is the Dragonborn putting the target in a submission hold and then just a loud crack fills the air.

As in LS? Not much, probably Peak Human to Class 1

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

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[Keeweed]

It’s only class 1 if you do it purely with your hands, but since it’s a stealth kill the Dovahkiin can put his full body into it. That video further clarifies that yeah that’s definitely not class 1, he had all the leverage and full body to work with.

For the giants I guess a rough 9-As does line up with the feat. Though most low tiers are 10-A to 9-B anyways. People really don’t scale to wildlife according to Ultima and Matt (though I find that strange since fighter guild members about kill rats which are consistently 9-B, like unlike the Dovahkiin and alduin so many low tier animals are buried in 9-B feats but apparently that’s not suppose to scale to anyone).

 

[VersusJunkie54]

It’s only class 1 if you do it purely with your hands, but since it’s a stealth kill the Dovahkiin can put his full body into it.

For the giants I guess a rough 9-As does line up with the feat. Though most low tiers are 10-A to 9-B anyways. People really don’t scale to wildlife according to Ultima and Matt (though I find that strange since fighter guild members about kill rats which are consistently 9-B).

The only thing saving the feat from being 9-B is the fact that we can say a crater's depth is 13% of the diameter based on Lunar craters if it is not possible to measure otherwise.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The Dovahkiin should scale way higher, Miraak pushed an island.

Didn't he use the Thu'um for that?

Though for beginning game, with proper leverage it isn’t a feat. The werewolf Dovahkiin can be class 5 for decapitating people through grip strength.

I'm amazed that isn't already on their profile all things considered.

 

[Keeweed]

Ooh, then it should be 9-B, I think that’s not an assumption we can work with since those are from meteors. Also the club can be seen touching the ground and I think messaging the thickness of the broken rocks lines up more with that than assuming underneath the rumble he’s still swinging deeper.

 

[Keeweed]

Didn't he use the Thu'um for that?

I'm amazed that isn't already on their profile all things considered.

He should absolutely scale to his own thu’um. Miraak and the other dragons that shoved around the island were having a shout match with each other. Miraak would have been thrown into orbit if he didn’t scale. Plus if I remember correctly some dwarves also throw a large hammer across the planet, and you can block blows from dragons and slightly shove them with shield bashes.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Ooh, then it should be 9-B, I think that’s not an assumption we can work with since those are from meteors. Also the club can be seen touching the ground and I think messaging the thickness of the broken rocks lines up more with that than assuming underneath the rumble he’s still swinging deeper.

It should be fine really. I've used it for Halo calcs like missiles, and beams. I don't recall it ever applying strictly to meteors, and it can be used if a crater doesn't have a stated, or measureable depth.

Plus if I remember correctly some dwarves also throw a large hammer across the planet

Doing a grossly inaccurate eyeball....that's probably 9-B+ to Low 9-A KE at best, and maybe Class 100 LS at the absolute most depending on context and required assumptions.

Also it wasn't across Nirn, it was from Morrowind to Hammerfell no?

 

[Keeweed]

I mean we have like no lifting strength feats at all, so it could be alright for someone. Plus I saw a person jumping from the moon to earth (just a jump nothing else) get class T, and Samus falling 20 feet as a 5’4 girl hit class 5. So it may surprise us. The elder scrolls world is pretty big so I imagine it could be like Class K myself. I will need to find the exact lore after I get ready for today.

For the giant feat if it’s been a fine estimate before then 9-A is good to go.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I mean we have like no lifting strength feats at all, so it could be alright for someone. Plus I saw a person jumping from the moon to earth (just a jump nothing else) get class T, and smash falling 20 feet as a 5’4 girl hit class 5. So it may surprise us. The elder scrolls world is pretty big so I imagine it could be like Class K myself. I will need to find the exact lore after I get ready for today.

IF you can get me some context for the hammer throwing, I could give it a shot. LS results can be pretty crazy. If you know of any crushing/tearing feats, those can be pretty crazy. I just calculated a crushing feat into Class M. I also saw a feat of crushing a rusty metal bar get Class K.

How many gold bars can the Dovahkin carry in their inventory before becoming overloaded?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

IF you can get me some context for the hammer throwing, I could give it a shot. LS results can be pretty crazy. If you know of any crushing/tearing feats, those can be pretty crazy. I just calculated a crushing feat into Class M. I also saw a feat of crushing a rusty metal bar get Class K.

How many gold bars can the Dovahkin carry in their inventory before becoming overloaded?

Solid Gold Ingots have a weight value of 1.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Solid Gold Ingots have a weight value of 1.

Well actual gold bars weigh like 12.4 kilograms, and he can carry a decent amount of them.

 

[Keeweed]

I would need to look into if this is one of more frivolous stories of the elder scrolls, though majority of what I’ve read has it be slightly contested in world but not disbelieved by most in verse. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rourken

So at least it’s often described as being thrown to be comparable to fallen star (comet) so if the distance is too hard to find that speed alone from the sky to dirt could be a good starting place.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Well actual gold bars weigh like 12.4 kilograms, and he can carry a decent amount of them.

Does any of this help?

Encumbrance (Skyrim)

For other uses, see Encumbrance. Encumbrance affects the total amount of weight of items a character can carry in The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. Maximum carrying capacity is a crucial element of all Elder Scrolls games, Skyrim included. The weight of an object is displayed within the Item Menu...

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[VersusJunkie54]

I would need to look into if this is one of more frivolous stories of the elder scrolls, though majority of what I’ve read has it be slightly contested in world but not disbelieved by most in verse. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rourken

So at least it’s often described as being thrown to be comparable to fallen star (comet) so if the distance is too hard to find that speed alone from the sky to dirt could be a good starting place.

Who would it scale to if successfully calculated?

 

[Keeweed]

I would argue the current High 6-As with the thu’um or like the ones very clearly in that tier from strength. While the high 6-As are getting downgrade since shaking Nirn is weird (or at least that was suppose to be the case according to ultima), it should still should be superior to the hammer throw since that very clearly didn’t have the power to shake Nirn or a country like at least Skyrim is by the graybeards. The Dovahkiin scale to the shouts as he withstands their full force without being thrown around.

Pelinal and other not god tiers but stupidly high tiered characters also definitely scale. Pelinal is a monster physically and Umaril can clash with him and the Champion of Cyrodiil.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Well actual gold bars weigh like 12.4 kilograms, and he can carry a decent amount of them.

Does any of this help?

Encumbrance (Skyrim)

For other uses, see Encumbrance. Encumbrance affects the total amount of weight of items a character can carry in The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. Maximum carrying capacity is a crucial element of all Elder Scrolls games, Skyrim included. The weight of an object is displayed within the Item Menu...

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[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Tamriel size According to MK from Lady Nerevar

Yall can ignore the calcs of the second one and the right and bottom left images, only the top left is important for a lil more details

(Top image can be found on her patreon)

 

[Keeweed]

Huh, I feel like that contradicts both our 6-A calcs and the dragon speed calcs. But the 6-As aren’t really usable any more anyways.
I just checked and from what I can tell the hammer was thrown from Morrowind to Hammerfell, though that’s on the wikis. So after my homework today I will look into the in game books the official wikis use.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

FYI before someone decides to bring it up The Arena manual says that Tamriel is 12sq Miles or Km, depending on the localization.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

FYI before someone decides to bring it up The Arena manual says that Tamriel is 12sq Miles or Km, depending on the localization.

I'm almost 100% certain that Skyrim far exceeds that size on its own, let alone the entirety of Tamriel.

 

[Keeweed]

That’s smaller than Daggerfall like as even the playable area, so that one is definitely been retconned.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Just mention in it as people always bring the arena manual.

 

[Imaginym]

"The prince of Ls" That is a perfect description of Dagon

yeah I don't know about Azura being an Ur-Dra she doesn't seem to meet the criteria she seems more anueic in origin rather than padomeic

also isn't Mora an Ur-daedra related to magnus and his original blue prints or is that none canon now?

Yeah and she also beat the tar out of Trinimac which is a pretty big feat considering where he was (still is possibly) on the packing order of the anueic bois.

Honestly we need more info on mephala since I really wanna know where she stands in compersion to say the architect himself Magnus for example since both seems to alter the flow of fate with their respective fields.

and yeah molag bal is just the absolute dumpster fire of the daedric lords, I mean what other prince has had their ass handed to them in their own realms not by just an avatar of another god but by a group of mortal so many times in the lore? like legit I have a feeling that someone like the neravarine or the LDB could stroll into his own realm and knock his teeth in (shoutout to the vigilant mod accurate depiction of events for sure for sure)

Reading this post... what an utterly comedic tragedy.

The Daedric Prince of Domination (over mortals), Brutality, Harvester of Souls, God of Schemes, The Elder Spirit of Domination and Supreme Law....

& yet among his supposed peers, fellow Daedric Princes, this bully in boss's clothing is only supreme in how much of a freaking jobber he is, lol.

Should there be other info pertinent to this Prince's plight, would anyone care to direct me to it?

 

[Keeweed]

Hey, so I’m doing some rough calcs of the hammer throw now, super massive lowball end for the shooting star part is Class 50 (35 tons) but that’s assuming it’s made out of ebony which I count as obsidian and using only the hammer part as around the size of a head (it’s definitely bigger in Skyrim). The KE though is like 8 tons with even the low ball so that’s cool for the dwarf chief assuming he doesn’t scale to anyone higher tiered. I’ll be doing a brass end now since the weapon is made from dwarven metal (which I’m pretty sure is based off brass)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Hey, so I’m doing some rough calcs of the hammer throw now, super massive lowball end for the shooting star part is Class 50 (35 tons) but that’s assuming it’s made out of ebony which I count as obsidian and using only the hammer part as around the size of a head (it’s definitely bigger in Skyrim). The KE though is like 8 tons with even the low ball so that’s cool for the dwarf chief assuming he doesn’t scale to anyone higher tiered. I’ll be doing a brass end now since the weapon is made from dwarven metal (which I’m pretty sure is based off brass)

I thought it was made of Corundom?

 

[Keeweed]

Ah, okay I remember some other calcs like the old vaporization calc using brass, let me see how much Corundom weighs.

 

[Keeweed]

Okay so Corundom is 4 grams per cubic centimeter while obsidian is 2.55 so I think that would just barely push it into Class 100. Still am curious what the brass end gets so I will do both now.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Hey, so I’m doing some rough calcs of the hammer throw now, super massive lowball end for the shooting star part is Class 50 (35 tons) but that’s assuming it’s made out of ebony which I count as obsidian and using only the hammer part as around the size of a head (it’s definitely bigger in Skyrim). The KE though is like 8 tons with even the low ball so that’s cool for the dwarf chief assuming he doesn’t scale to anyone higher tiered. I’ll be doing a brass end now since the weapon is made from dwarven metal (which I’m pretty sure is based off brass)

Obsidian and ebony are diferent in universe materials

 

[Keeweed]

But Ebony is a type of volcanic glass right, because that’s why I was using obsidian as a reference since it’s the closest type of material I know. Plus it’s pretty light so I think it was just a good lowball weight anyways.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Obsidian and ebony are diferent in universe materials

isn't ebony actully heavier than most other metals in verse?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

But Ebony is a type of volcanic glass right, because that’s why I was using obsidian as a reference since it’s the closest type of material I know. Plus it’s pretty light so I think it was just a good lowball weight anyways.

I mean yes and absolutely not, it is a crystalized metal, made of the blood of a god soooooo.

 

[Keeweed]

The weight unit is a gameplay mechanic, however I believe the other two metals are more accurate anyways. Just saying why I used that low ball weight at first. Brass got baseline Class K, let me see what the other metal I was recommended gets.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

isn't ebony actully heavier than most other metals in verse?

It's like the third heaviest material behind Dragonbone and Stalhrim, at least when comparing the gear made with them to each other.

 

[Keeweed]

Wait, Corundum is a metal used by nords to make their metals (from what I found looking through the official sites), everything I can find says the hammer is made dwarven metal which has been referred to as brass before (probably not exactly as brass but in the same vein) so I think the brass end is best personally. So lowball is Class K for the shooting star part.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Wait, Corundum is a metal used by nords to make their metals (from what I found looking through the official sites), everything I can find says the hammer is made dwarven metal which has been referred to as brass before (probably not exactly as brass but in the same vein) so I think the brass end is best personally.

Brass doesn't make any sense though since Brass is weaker than Iron or Steel yet Dwarven Metal is far superior to either of those metals.