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That diagram is pretty much BS.
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Here's an album of scans I madePaul Frank said:Ok so what supports the fact that there oblivion is an infinite void with an infinite number of infinite sized planes besides a statement by Rulantaril and the text copy pasted from the imperial library
Reposting my answer here: Contrary to popular belief, the Daedric Princes are clearly not as powerful as the original Et'Ada, and did subgradiate themselves, albeit differently from the Aedra who bound themselves to Mundus. The fact that the Aedra manage to keep the Daedric Princes from entering Mundus makes no sense if the later are High 1-B while the former aren't. There is also a small portion of the power of the Divines contained within the Amulet of King being enough to defeat Molag Bal inside his own Realm of Coldharbour. Meanwhile, we have multiple examples of Daedra who are weaker than their Et'Ada state, notably Meridia, who used to be the Magne-Ge Merid-Nunda before falling from Aetherius, and Malacath, who used to be the Et'Ada Trinimac before being corrupted. Hermaeus Mora himself was never an Et'Ada, and was born from cast away ideas thrown by Magnus during the creation of Mundus. So yes, the Daedric Princes aren't Et'Ada. | ||
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Ok Matt you obviously didn't play ESO when it came out, I did, there were infinite things that were wrong with it, it only got fixed through DLC's and expansions. And the Ebonheart Pact exists.Matthew Schroeder said:Also:
"Vanilla ESO contradicts the lore and it sucks"
Lmao, what year is this. Even Vanilla ESO has amazing lore and fantastic worldbuilding that doesn' contradict the past games at all.
The maps we use are fan-made and non-literal.EmperorRorepme said:But don't you think they could be at least Hyperversal? The map shows that their realms cover the vast majority of Oblivion.
Before Oblivion, there was Nocturnal. Nocturnal existed before this reality was even imagined, and she will ride its destruction into the next Evergloam, Nocturnal's ever-shifting domain of twilight and gloom, that somehow seems to be adjacent to every other realm of reality. In the dark, if you turn and look quickly, you can almost glimpse it. |
Like all of the polydox constructs of the earliest Aldmer-- whatever their abnegaurbic creed-- White-Gold Tower is a conduit of creatia, aad sembia sembio, built to bring about a reversal of the congealing spiritual bleed caused by the Convention. In other words, it was a focus point for (re-)reaching the divine. White-Gold Tower was made by the Ayleids, the Heartland High Elves that would have none to do with their isle-kind. Where the Altmer sought to focus on dracochrysalis, or keeping elder magic bound before it could change into something lesser (and act which ironically required aetherial surplus), the Ayleids harvested castaway creatia from Oblivion by entering a pact with the masters of the Void, the Princes of Misrule. |
Ultima Reality said:
Before Oblivion, there was Nocturnal.
Nocturnal existed before this reality was even imagined, and she will ride its destruction into the next
Evergloam, Nocturnal's ever-shifting domain of twilight and gloom, that somehow seems to be adjacent to every other realm of reality. In the dark, if you turn and look quickly, you can almost glimpse it.
Ok do I really need to explain why "Join Meridia in my eternal darkness" is in no way shape or form even remotely implying that she "stomped" Meridia.Ultima Reality said:Nocturnal heavily implies that Meridia was defeated by her, and considering that she says this while about to consume her Knight into darkness, I am pretty sure that's the case.
It isn't explicitly said that she forced them to do it, but the fact she made the other Princes sign a Nymic Oath is treated as a big deal within the text itself, which even goes as far as stating that Nocturnal "took on her mantle as Ur-Dra of Oblivion" (i.e the Primordial Daedra who exists as a direct aspect of the Original Void) upon doing that, so it most definitely is a valid feat for her. It isn't even the only thing pointing at her being the most powerful Daedra, either, ESO Summerset has a Psijic Mage explicitly stating that she is the oldest and most powerful Daedric Prince, and associating her power with her status as the Ur-Dra.
I agree we don't have much specific information about the Towers and most of the protection stuff comes form the Infernal City. But every time a Tower has fallen a major catastrophic event has occurred, and I'm just saying it doesn't make any sense for Alessia pact to be the reason for the Daedric Princes being unable to enter Mundus, because they could've been able to invade any time before or after that. The Towers holding the metaphysical structure of Mundus is implied by the events that happen following the destruction of them.Ultima Reality said:snip
Should we upgrade Frisk to 1-A then?EmperorRorepme said:Anyone who has extreme Love in TES achieves CHIM.