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Not each Marvel character, but our current composite cosmology for the cosmic entities does not really make any sense. However, I am not sure if we can realistically even fix it.
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Thanos (With the Heart of The Universe) Downgrade
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I agree that with the different iterations of the cosmology varying hugely, it should be fine to have an "at least low 2-C", but it should be made abundantly clear on the profile why the value is so little, or it would cause massive confusion.
If these marvel cosmology revisions are coming closer slowly too, it would be a good idea to begin noting this stuff on profiles as soon as possible, to help with them.
If these marvel cosmology revisions are coming closer slowly too, it would be a good idea to begin noting this stuff on profiles as soon as possible, to help with them.
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I agree with using "At Least" for their tiers.
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We are only preparing DC Comics cosmology revisions at the moment, and even that proceeds quite slowly. I am just complaining a bit about that our Marvel cosmology does not make much sense either at the moment. I hope that we will be able to figure out some solution eventually.
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Oh, I didn't know then you obviously need marvel's knowledge members here.
But if proven Above All Others and AR thanos ain't canon instead of deletion. We can put them as non canon counterparts maybe.
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That's fair too. I wish I could help with that but I'm not knowledgeable enough on the comics to do anything more than offer calc service lol.
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Low 2-C for the Infinity Gauntlet is not necessary it’s fine where it is currently. The Heart of the Universe should be 1-B or High 1-C, since it did absorb the Avatars of Eternity, Infinity, and The Living Tribunal who are Extradimensional.
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If where not upgrading the True One-Above-All then The Above All Others and Regulator Thanos should be High 1-B or Low 1-A.
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I do agree on that, it was just a suggestion anyways.
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I’m stil proposing a downgrade for Thanos with the Heart of the Universe tho.
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Maybe that could be an idea for the future by the way? To keep the composite cosmology tiers side by side with the ones for specific prominent writers nd eras, such as the later 1980s/early 1990s, Hickman, Starlin, and Ewing?
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But AAO and TOAA are one character.
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In that case, I think we should use the explicitly demonstrated Starlin tiers as "At least" and the composite cosmology tiers as "at most", but I doubt that we will all be able to collaborate regarding that kind of project without thorough preparations.
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No. AAO is just an Avatar of TOAA. Even Thanos himself claimed that after he absorbed the power of The Above All Others, he claimed to just have a fraction of it’s power.
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They are portrayed very differently, in both nature and scale of power. AAO is representative of Starlin's hatred of monotheism. It is portrayed as an in-universe petty self-absorbed tyrannical deity who simply rules over a lot of parallell universes. The OAA has repeatedly been interpreted or outright portrayed as Marvel's writers in a metafictional sense, and we scale it from a composite cosmology.
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This is the thing that i tried telling you all. The Heart of the Universe only destroyed One Universe, albeit a Exradimensional one at that.
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Well, in any case, I am not sure if it is realistic to apply any changes to Thanos and the AAO alone here. Perhaps we should close this thread, and start to make preparations after we are finished with DC Comics?
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True but he did say he gained omnipotence or something like that.
This is true but I basically saw them as the same and I thought this wiki also did in a footnote.
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He also said that one day his hair will regrow a afro.
No, but on a serious note: Characters claim to be omnipotent all the time if Regulator Thanos was Omnipotent he wouldn’t have been able to be tricked and killed by his younger self.
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Can this still be used at a later date, when the Revisions are done?
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just to let everyone know.
I told The_Impress about this and then drio who became my friend/follower. then decided to make this thread. (i'm sorry if i was the cause for all of this.)
but if this hotu debunked is true. i'm glad i did everyone a favor by bringing it up and allowing others to make a thread about this.
(if it's not true, then i'm sorry for bringing it up and the opposite effect happening)
I told The_Impress about this and then drio who became my friend/follower. then decided to make this thread. (i'm sorry if i was the cause for all of this.)
but if this hotu debunked is true. i'm glad i did everyone a favor by bringing it up and allowing others to make a thread about this.
(if it's not true, then i'm sorry for bringing it up and the opposite effect happening)
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i did make a thread about this before but it didn't work.
now times have seemed to change. (i don't know why. but if it's still wrong, i apologize)
now times have seemed to change. (i don't know why. but if it's still wrong, i apologize)
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You don’t have to apologize and be so sorry about everything, you have an opinion and your allowed to share it. You didn’t cause anything wrong, so don’t worry about it.
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Because you lacked the proper scans.
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okay but it's just i started all this, even though i didn't create this one, by telling impress about it which caused this.
and maybe i should have never brought it up in the first place. aka when i first came to this wiki a few years ago.
(this is only if this stuff i brought up was wrong)
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yeah but i'm not a serious person, i'm casual. so don't expect me to do that.
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I advise you to stop stressing about things to much it’s just a debate site for fun no need to take things to a personal level and downplay on yourself it’s not necessary, i have seen you do it many times It’s just not good for you, the past is the past do not drag past events to the future if they are forgiven.
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Why is it non-canon
Explicit proof? This isn't something I, as the debater, has to prove, burden of proof is on you why we shouldn't take it at face value
The multiverse's existence isn't reliant on the Living Tribunal, moot point.
Statement claiming he used up all his powers?
Why does he need to make Infinite Multiverses?
I don't think M-Bodies randomly downscale.
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Because the story took place in difference universe, not in earth 616
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So it should have a different profile, then, is what you're saying?
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Maybe
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I see. Won't be shocked tbf since Ultron was another dude that had non-616 keys listed, as they were artifacts of old profilemaking standards
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QnA board exists.
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ugh
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Mate you're randomly bumping a thread while I have stuff to do, don't do shit like that :/
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I'm not terribly familiar with Marvel, but from what I understand the head editor of Marvel considers The End non-canon, and since Starlin's recent Infinity trilogy was based on that Thanos, they are also non-canon.
However, canon/non-canon doesn't particularly matter here. I think the evidence is clear that Starlin for whatever reason limited Thanos' event to this universe, or simply wasn't considering the idea of a multiverse when writing this.
This is kind of the bigger problem with Starlin comics in general. He ignores the continuity of the other writers, and the other writers ignore him. He's off in his own private Thanos-Is-King world that the rest of Marvel turns a blind eye to. We can scale him to the greater multiverse, but I don't necessarily think it would be in keeping with what's actually in the story.
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