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I don't think he slammed scout through it, by the way he stuck his arm out it's safer to assume he charged through it, and the wall appears to be concrete not metal
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Team Fortress 9-A Upgrade
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The first doesn't look like 9-A, and probs wouldn't scale to anyone since we don't see anyone tanking it, not to mention it being a chain of explosives rather than a singular one. The Jungle Inferno Explosion was calced to be less than 9-A. You can probably find the calc earlier in the thread somewhere.
That would only scale to Saxton Hale, as Scout at most, got his face hit by it. At most, it would net Wall Level for Scout. It's kinda redundant as I've already listed some feats above.
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This is how I plan for the profiles to be organized if this is goes through.
Attack Potency: At least Wall level, likely Small Building level (Capable of harming Scout, who can survive Soldier's rockets, and a giant explosion) | Small Building level (Stronger than before. Can harm Robot Giants such as Super Scouts, who can survive Sentry Buster explosions. Should be comparable to their durability. Despite being called "the laughing stock in the mercenary world", becoming soulless allowed them to defeat the Team Fortress Classic team, who defeated the Administrator's best echelon, Team Vanguard, which left her with "just the rejects")
Durability: At least Wall level, likely Small Building level (Can survive explosives such as Pipe Grenades and Rockets. Physically superior to Scout, who while injured, survived this) | Small Building level (Stronger than before due to becoming soulless. Capable of surviving Sir Nukesalot's explosions, which are this strong. Comparable to Pyro, who possibly survived a building exploding)
Key: Gravel War | Robot War/Australium Chase
Attack Potency: At least Wall level, likely Small Building level (Capable of harming Scout, who can survive Soldier's rockets, and a giant explosion) | Likely Small Building level (Stronger than before. Despite being called "the laughing stock in the mercenary world", becoming soulless allowed them to defeat the Team Fortress Classic team, who defeated the Administrator's best echelon, Team Vanguard, which left her with "just the rejects")
Durability: At least Wall level, likely Small Building level (Can survive explosives such as Pipe Grenades and Rockets. Physically superior to Scout, who while injured, survived this) | Likely Small Building level (Stronger than before due to becoming soulless. Comparable to Pyro, who possibly survived a building exploding)
Key: Gravel War | Robot War/Australium Chase
Including both gameplay + comics/videos
Attack Potency: At least Wall level, likely Small Building level (Capable of harming Scout, who can survive Soldier's rockets, and a giant explosion) | Small Building level (Stronger than before. Can harm Robot Giants such as Super Scouts, who can survive Sentry Buster explosions. Should be comparable to their durability. Despite being called "the laughing stock in the mercenary world", becoming soulless allowed them to defeat the Team Fortress Classic team, who defeated the Administrator's best echelon, Team Vanguard, which left her with "just the rejects")
Durability: At least Wall level, likely Small Building level (Can survive explosives such as Pipe Grenades and Rockets. Physically superior to Scout, who while injured, survived this) | Small Building level (Stronger than before due to becoming soulless. Capable of surviving Sir Nukesalot's explosions, which are this strong. Comparable to Pyro, who possibly survived a building exploding)
Key: Gravel War | Robot War/Australium Chase
Excluding gameplay
Attack Potency: At least Wall level, likely Small Building level (Capable of harming Scout, who can survive Soldier's rockets, and a giant explosion) | Likely Small Building level (Stronger than before. Despite being called "the laughing stock in the mercenary world", becoming soulless allowed them to defeat the Team Fortress Classic team, who defeated the Administrator's best echelon, Team Vanguard, which left her with "just the rejects")
Durability: At least Wall level, likely Small Building level (Can survive explosives such as Pipe Grenades and Rockets. Physically superior to Scout, who while injured, survived this) | Likely Small Building level (Stronger than before due to becoming soulless. Comparable to Pyro, who possibly survived a building exploding)
Key: Gravel War | Robot War/Australium Chase
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You mean the fragmentation that takes why-do-I-even-bother how many hits to do?
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Fragmenting the tank takes multiple hits so the value would be spread between how many hits it takes
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Also, we do not assume they fragment a tank for tank busting feats as opposed to an ignited engine doing most of the work. Also, even so, that sounds a lot more like something that requires inverses square law.
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I was refering than they can tank the fragmentation
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They can tank the fragmentation without any damage by pratically being hug range of the tank
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They don’t even take any damage from the tank, so it’s game mechanics. Not to mention, the fragmentation is from the bomb in the tank, which doesn’t scale to anyone
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This literally means nothing, it takes many hits to do so. I've played MvM.
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Are we literally going back to the calc literally everyone called and outlier due to the fact that it does 0 damage in game?
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For the record, I’m not interested in any feats above 9-A. 9-A is already controversial. I want nothing to do with 8-C TF2, hence why I said it in my OP
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How is that a outlier is based on guys that upscales from 9-A feats that make no sense. and also the "take many hits" dont make any sense because is a durability feat not a AP feat 2 diferent things that dont correlate in this cases
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If they’re harmed by things below 8-C then tanking an 8-C explosion with absolutely zero damage would be an outlier
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We already explained how it’s a game mechanic. They literally take no damage from it when they take damage from other similar 9-A explosions. Not to mention, in sound of Medicine, they were using their ranged weapons, so they probably wouldn’t even be in range of the explosion when it exploded.
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Yeah but
1.that is not game mechanics works. Just because they dont tank any damage doesnt mean the feat is debunked or wrong that just means they scale far above the feat and the sentry buster was literally created to one shot sentry so...
2. they were using range weapons because they were getting overwhelmed by a bunch of high tiers robot wouldnt make sense to try to get close and just because they did one doesnt mean they always stayed in range
3. yeah and if the feat was valid then it would be a probally as that is by far the best feats
This is derailing anyway and should be discused later?
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Yeah but
1. the Bellow 8-C things were created to kill them so if they become 8-C then the things would become 8-C simple scaling
2. i propose probally or varies to that as there are some 8-C feat
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Yes it is. You are arguing its an 8-C explosion, and the Mercs are completely unharmed by it, yet the Mercs still die to 9-A explosions. Not only is it a game mechanic, it would also be an outlier. What does the Sentry Buster have to do with any of this...
Yes. They stayed away, ergo, they weren't in the range of the explosion. Oh yea, Medic also has his Projectile Shield so yea.
No, we will not discuss this any further. I don't want this thread to be filled up with any more "feats" that have nothing to do with the 9-A rating.
The single "8-C feat" deals ZERO damage to the mercenaries, who all take damage from, and die from 9-A explosions. If that is not a game mechanic, then it is a hard outlier.
That's not how scaling works. If that was how it worked, literally every outlier conceivable would become a solid rating. There is not a SINGLE other 8-C feat in TF2 that scales to the Mercs. Things below 8-C being created to kill have nothing to do with any of this.
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Yeah that's enough of that. Currently its fine the way it is, they vary at these levels.
But now its ******* being argued that even then they are separate from the "Canon Panic" Thread... Which is even more bull, but I think you already explained this?
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Yeah these seems much better.
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I already explained how the scan even being used to argue this is invalid in the OP.
Right now, we’re just waiting for Abstractions response on that.
Either way, there are still enough 9-A feats/supporting feats that warrant at least a possibly even excluding gameplay.
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bump?
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I mean not much favorable situations am I right? but its worth trying. Mostly not many reply on Sunday from my sort of lane.
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can we scale to the characters being able to vaporize the smaller robots this does only take a single shot from the cow-mangler
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That can't be accounted for accordingly.
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At most that would be an AP upgrade for the vaporization weapons. iirc, tanking vaporization attacks would be resistance to heat or something.
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Also, I found that the mercs can fragment giant robots, so that might be worth looking at.
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Wait wait wait wait. several characters have AP by resisting to heat resistance
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well, they shouldn't tbh
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Eh either way we don't consider them tanking Vapor (And PLEASE don't rabble about it I'm sorry).
Yeah but I will be looking over some things if you guys don't mind.
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Yeah then they should downgrade it because if it is is a fat double standard. also wasnt calced that to survive in the center of the sun you needed 8-A part of that was pression but also a part of that was heat who uses energy by obvious reasons
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...what?
You don't get AP for resisting heat. If you know of these characters, shoot a message on my wall.
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It would, but thats enough of that for now.
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So I took a look at one of the Respect Threads, and some notable things to me (To keep it a tad shorter) That I could also find if they matter, from the weakest to much stronger Merc:
So Scout the physically weakest lad thus far alone, can:
- Hit an ornament with wrapping paper hard enough to literally hurt Australian Santa which then Solider gives proceeds to give Aussie Santa a major fracture (AP: What has this Santa's power done again? Now it may be crazy enough to assume, but fair reminder since we have historical figures under the mantel of Mercs which we will get to more later: Santa Claus can apparently achieve crazy feats listed here one time; but like Santa, Can travel exceedingly long distances just to abduct children.)
- Hits hard enough to embed teeth into his bat (The Verse's human's itself even in its past as mentioned by you, is crazy, but so much so to have a jacked Shakesphere who can "Bench press 700 Britsh Pounds" and invent two story building's who apparently rocket jumps this high as then good old OG Pyro Main "Abraham Lincoln (The Guy On The Penny)" Came along and invented Stairs because people in the verse literally CASUALLY rocket jump just to reach something... Because they had no Stairs at the time. Somewhere there, Demo in his younger years while testing explosions were still powerful enough to literally destroy an entire orphange.)
- Talks for five hour's straight and might have talked some more if it wasn't for the director shutting him up (Stamina) I'm surpised that most of the mercs are not Very High in Stamina. Scout is the weakest yet the lad doesn't fully mind having a bird pecking inside him years until Expiration Date, amongst traveling through harsh environments so cold that he couldn't feel his body then having a bear slice though yet was still able to one shot back. You want others? Demo himself survives a substance that is strong enough to corrode through metal and Spy functions fine, despite losing several liters of blood in a day, Smokes constantly yet he fights good. (Presumably armed) men consider him dangerous enough that they starve him out before capturing him.
- His flex makes God cry (And apparently is his gift to Earth, Don't know what that will fall under but the guy's Holy to have God himself admire him alone).
- Survives Maggie pulling on his neck with a rope (Might be somewhat notable, Keep in mind she is not far off from Saxton. Speaking of which, Scout also Survives being used as a melee weapon to send a yeti flying and Pyro survives a stomp by it too. Pyro alongside a few others are relatively fine afterwards.
- Survived being blown up by a kart filled with explosives by jumping inside the mouth of the giant carnivorous bread-with-tumors monster who was near the cart and while a bit dazed was perfectly fine. Meanwhile, Miss Pauling (who did the exact same thing as Scout) was initally knocked unconcious and suffered a broken leg in the process... And Solider was somehow inside and fine too.
- Actually carries up to 5+ sandviches (Not a strength feat but it shows he carries more then one. Very useful to some degree and can replinish himself several times) | Something very notable about this is that just this one comic, aside the possible duboius canoncity PHD in Russian Literature (If it were truly canon then Heavy can also have the mindset to theoritically intimadate other extreme sociopaths like Max the Rabbit who literally skinned a cat one time among other derranged stuff, is just left scared...
Sam and Max profiles when?); despite having a bulky exterior its clear that Heavy is not stupid; as the matter of fact he's actually very resourceful (as Heavy tamed them, The dogs turned on the Guards which heavy also made use of) Alongside taking off guard Miss Pauling, overall proved to be adept enough to stealth through the Admin's lab, who Gray Mann fears a lot (Gray Mann is the kind of guy to literally invent a new math thing... While still in the mother's womb. He said that when he killed the Mann Brothers). Heavy is known of Ambushing after all (Deatils of the way Scout fights is flanking/Evasion among other things on this site. Stuff about Heavy has yet to be added such as that, like he breaks out of a gulag at a young age, tortures the guards to death) Same with Pyro who is also more adept in this and probably took the Admin off guard, that thing literally vanishes A LOT. - Casually plows through a door (Whom Spy was under in disguised as Scout, was fine) And if anything Heavy literally rips through metal doors rather casually which had the bars BENT, there were signs that had things like "Electrical Gravel (10,000 Volts), Hot Lava, Radition". and btw in this same comic; Pyro literally disintergrated a metallic lighter that belonged to the Admin. (Why I say this is that crushing objects such as crushing a mug is given a rather high LS rating, and Pyro turned a lighter to dust might amount of something)
- And look at that! Heavy CAN actually survive some blows from the MVM grenades/weaponry!
- Punches through some THICC metal, or at least it shows what one bread monster can do to ya. btw if this was the case, both Medic and Engie (Other weaker classes) not only were intially mauled by the mini bread monster but later sealed it with ease... Just imagine how much stronger the Super-Bread Monster was.
- Holds open blast doors that weren't affected by an explosion which shattered large chunks of stone.
- Survives one extensive beatdown from australium amped TFC Heavy.
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Heavy actually doesn't survive a direct hit without a scratch, blood shoots out.
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But at least it shows he can survive a few shots of them, It looked like a spark to me intially but you were right.
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