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Well that's super helpful.Jesus christ. Read all the scans dude.
Anyways, count me as a disagree. The evidence hasn't supported your argument.
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Well that's super helpful.Jesus christ. Read all the scans dude.
What? No. Christianity is purely Religious. Islam is the same. Taoism is more of a philosophy than a religion. And the Nasuverse treats it that way because even the root apparently trascends religion as a whole in the verse.Religion is pretty philosophical in nature, but that’s a separate topic. Ion’s point still stands
Mistranslation.every possible dimensions in the verse.
Remove possible.Every possible space. I know. Still the same thing as you admitted in the past.
Nothing on that talked about infinite higher dimensions, so, no you haven't.Pretty sure I explained it with the origin stuff.
I mean that there’s philosophy behind the very purpose of religion to begin with (creating meaning in the world)What? No. Christianity is purely Religious. Islam is the same. Taoism is more of a philosophy than a religion. And the Nasuverse treats it that way because even the root apparently trascends religion as a whole in the verse.
That's not an alternative interpretation that's supporting evidenceTbh i think we should not use this argument . Apparently it has alternate interpretations
Bro showed like 10+ scans of Tao having 1-1 correspondence with the root and that's still a stretch.But [] itself isn’t compared to absolute infinity so it’s still a stretch
You’re upgrading it off something not substantiated by the verse (the absolute infinity stuff). Therefore, it’s a stretch. Nobody’s saying there aren’t Taoist references in the Nasuverse, but upgrading a verse off something never stated in it is absurd to me. It really isBro showed like 10+ scans of Tao having 1-1 correspondence with the root and that's still a stretch.
Unless you think Tao doesn't have anything compared to absolute infinity (it's totally not like they don't directly state it is)
Doesn’t exactly change what I said (which wasn’t exactly relevant to begin with)Except Taoism is literally more philosophical than religious.
Couldn't have said it better myself. If it's in the verse, we don't need to know it's in Taoism, just show us where it is in the verse. If it isn't in the verse, it doesn't matter if it's in Taoism.You’re upgrading it off something not substantiated by the verse (the absolute infinity stuff). Therefore, it’s a stretch. Nobody’s saying there aren’t Taoist references in the Nasuverse, but upgrading a verse off something never stated in it is absurd to me. It really is
Absolute infinity wasn't explicitly stated in the verse, but the context is the exact same, as well as how identical they are based on the same philosophy and how all the descriptions regarding the infinity depiction looks identical, I think it would be unjust to dismiss it solely because the word "Absolute Infinity" wasn't mentioned despite admitting that [ ] is literally what tao is.You’re upgrading it off something not substantiated by the verse (the absolute infinity stuff). Therefore, it’s a stretch. Nobody’s saying there aren’t Taoist references in the Nasuverse, but upgrading a verse off something never stated in it is absurd to me. It really is
You and that other guy were the one calling Taoism a religion in order to disregard the justifications despite it being more of a philosophy. If you knew it wasn't relevant, why bring it up in the first place?Doesn’t exactly change what I said (which wasn’t exactly relevant to begin with)
It’s not though. It’s never implied to be absolute infinity or anything like that. Your scans only really make a dictinxtion between the root and infinite stuff but that doesn’t seem good enough to be High 1A.Absolute infinity wasn't explicitly stated in the verse, but the context is the exact same, as well as how identical they are based on the same philosophy and how all the descriptions regarding the infinity depiction looks identical, I think it would be unjust to dismiss it solely because the word "Absolute Infinity" wasn't mentioned despite admitting that [ ] is literally what tao is.
I said it in the first place that bringing external stuff not directly part of the work doesn’t help in upgrading the work. Religion, philosophy, ****, etc. it doesn’t matter what it is. If it’s not directly in the verse then there’s no point on using it to upgrade the verseYou and that other guy were the one calling Taoism a religion in order to disregard the justifications despite it being more of a philosophy. If you knew it wasn't relevant, why bring it up in the first place?
Not really. The scan is basically telling us how infinity can only be infinity if it's [ ] because it's the absolute true infinity.It’s not though. It’s never implied to be absolute infinity or anything like that. Your scans only really make a dictinxtion between the root and infinite stuff but that doesn’t seem good enough to be High 1A.
Thay's kinda picky to me tbh. If a verse shows something works exactly the same as a mathematical theory without specifically mentioning what it is, as long as the context is clear, it should be given the same tier a verse that mention the name of that theory would have gotten.As well as that, I do have to note that I’m fairly certain that the verse has to have evidence of things like Absolute Infinity along with the aleph stuff in order for it to get a High 1A rating, as that’s what happened with Unsong. Could be wrong on this tho
Taoism is part of the work. It's directly referenced in the verse. It specifically even mentioned it being a component cosmology-wise.I said it in the first place that bringing external stuff not directly part of the work doesn’t help in upgrading the work. Religion, philosophy, ****, etc. it doesn’t matter what it is. If it’s not directly in the verse then there’s no point on using it to upgrade the verse
Nasuverse isn't just using ideas from Taoism. It's directly implementing its concepts and characteristics into its cosmology. It already made reference to it so we know it isn't just coincidental.This is basically asserting that since a verse uses a philosophical idea that any philosophers interepretation of said philosophical idea also applies which is quite literally a no limits fallacy. Taoism as a school of thought way predates the notion of Cantor's infinity.
Except those random philosophers are mathematicians as well and they definitely understand what they are talking about compared to one random on vsbw. [ ] is basically Tao and Tao's description of infinity is considered identical to Absolute infinity. Coincidentally, the [ ] is also described similarly to it.You can't just find a random philosopher's interpretation on the subject then slap it onto Nasuverse and saying it applies since Nasuverse also has vague mentions about infinity.
Yes there is tho. While there’s certainly influence of Taoist philosophy in the root, it’s simply strange to upgrade the root off a statement that doesn’t have any good reason to apply to it.We recognize that tao= [ ] both in descriptions and how they work and it's also directly referenced to be the case in the verse and also has identical quotes regarding infinity. And Taoism infinite is considered identical to Cantor's Absolute Infinity. There's o reason to seperate whatever decision given to Tao from [ ] since we know they are the same in everyday and just because absolute infinity isn't mentioned specifically in the verse doesn't automatically disregard the excess of amounts of proofs of Tao being identical to [ ]. I personally think such a rule Is unnecessary.
And Taiji is part of Shinza but that didn’t really save the verse from being downgraded did it? Same thing applies hereTaoism is part of the work. It's directly referenced in the verse. It specifically even mentioned it being a component cosmology-wise.
That’s the same thing as using ideas of Taoism. You just repeated what we said. It’s implementing ideas of Taoism. How much it uses depends on what’s in the workNasuverse isn't just using ideas from Taoism. It's directly implementing its concepts and characteristics into its cosmology. It already made reference to it so we know it isn't just coincidental.
The statement from it and the Tao infinity are identical. It's cosmology is the same as well.Yes there is tho. While there’s certainly influence of Taoist philosophy in the root, it’s simply strange to upgrade the root off a statement that doesn’t have any good reason to apply to it.
Not really. The root is infact Tao and this is shown already. It's called "Emptiness" just like [ ]. It has a subversion (tao) just like swirl of the root. Every characteristics about Tao is found in the root. I mean, it's directly stated in the verse that it's gotten from the Chinese cosmology of onmyodo. What more does it need to prove that Taoism is literally what the root is?To correct your statement, the root is not proven to be Tao. It is proven to have characteristics of Tao. That doesn’t mean it has all characteristics especially if nothing supports it having all of them
Whatever's part of Shinza doesn't concern me. It depends on how well Shinza uses such philosophy plus if it's referenced to the real life aspect(ie, if it'd stated to be from the actual Chinese cosmology rather than some inverse stuff).And Taiji is part of Shinza but that didn’t really save the verse from being downgraded did it? Same thing applies here
Raather than you saying "using ideas", it embodying the whole concept of Taoism itself and going as far as categorizing the types of Tao (constant/eternal) into its cosmology seems better for context.That’s the same thing as using ideas of Taoism. You just repeated what we said. It’s implementing ideas of Taoism. How much it uses depends on what’s in the work
I wouldn't even waste my time replying you since it's clear you didn't read anything in the CRT. Your comment breeds ignorance. [ ] and the root are not the same.There is no such a thing such as Absolute Infinity in Nasuverse, the only thing i agree is 1-A Root due to it using Taoism and Apophatic Theology, also why you separate Roots and 「 」, Root is just a name to refer to 「 」, since it can't be described thus people decide to....eh......called it with a "reduced" name such as Root, Akasha. Those are just name, it actually is 「 」thus there is no such a thing as 「 」> Roots, Akasha
What’s the logic behind the Tao shit being absolute infinity in the mathematical sense? Cause I do have to stress that something being called a “true infinity” does not make it the mathematical absolute infinity.The statement from it and the Tao infinity are identical. It's cosmology is the same as well
No, it takes influence from Tao. There’s a difference. It and Tao are not the same thing and you wouldn’t be able to prove it unless literally every single aspect of the Tao was copy-pasted into Nasuverse when writing the root.Not really. The root is infact Tao and this is already. It's called "Emptiness" just like [ ]. It has a subversion (tao) just like swirl of the root. Every characteristics about Tao is found in the root. I mean, it's directly stated in the verse that it's gotten from the Chinese cosmology of onmyodo. What more does it need to prove that Taoism is literally what the root is?
My point was that simply taking influence from philosophy, regardless of how accurate it is, is not a guarantee of a tier.Whatever's part of Shinza doesn't concern me. It depends on how well Shinza uses such philosophy plus if it's referenced to the real life aspect(ie, if it'd stayed to be from the actual Chinese cosmology)
But that’s literally what it is. You’re just trying to word it differently but it quite literally is only using ideas of Taoism to emulate the same philosophy.Raather than you saying "using ideas", it embodying the whole inception of Taoism itself and going as far as categorizing the types of Tao (constant/eternal) into its cosmology seems better for context
When I say true infinity, I mean it being absolute because based on what the scan implied, infinity can't really be limitless if there's just going to be an higher level of it. But if the infinity is truly limitless without any other level, then it's not infinity rather, it's [ ].What’s the logic behind the Tao shit being absolute infinity in the mathematical sense? Cause I do have to stress that something being called a “true infinity” does not make it the mathematical absolute infinity.
I mean, its basically copy pastrd into the writing of the root. Everything mentioned about Taoism cosmology-wise, is reiterated for the root as well. And assiming it wasnt referenced directly, I would have assumed it was just an inverse stuff with different cosmological explanation like Hell's paradise did for example. But it isn't. It's the actual stuff stuff.No, it takes influence from Tao. There’s a difference. It and Tao are not the same thing and you wouldn’t be able to prove it unless literally every single aspect of the Tao was copy-pasted into Nasuverse when writing the root.
I know that. Which is why I showed step by step explanations on how everything in Tao ties directly to what's shown in Nasuverse.My point was that simply taking influence from philosophy, regardless of how accurate it is, is not a guarantee of a tier.
I'm done bruhBut that’s literally what it is. You’re just trying to word it differently but it quite literally is only using ideas of Taoism to emulate the same philosophy.
Oh yeah, saying i didn't read the scans and being ignorance despite i have been supporting the verse for years is......one hell of a counter-argument. How the hell can i make a disagreement if i didn't read the scans??. Anyway nothing in all the scans you posted ever refering to Cantor's Absolute Infinity, let alone mentioned it directly, you made a huge leap in logic that the contexts also includes Absolute Infinity in it.I wouldn't even waste my time replying you since it's clear you didn't read anything in the CRT. Your comment breeds ignorance. [ ] and the root are not the same.
Ok. I already told everyone to forget about the infinity stuff long ago.Oh yeah, saying i didn't read the scans and being ignorance despite i have been supporting the verse for years is......one hell of a counter-argument. How the hell can i make a disagreement if i didn't read the scans??. Anyway nothing in all the scans you posted ever refering to Cantor's Absolute Infinity, let alone mentioned it directly, you made a huge leap in logic that the contexts also includes Absolute Infinity in it.
Please just stop. Reread the post carefully once more. How can [ ] be the root if it's supposed to represent the oneness of everything that can't be described? Root is describable. They are different. You are the only one right here claiming they are the same despite claiming to have read my post.Also like i said, Root and 「 」is the same, "Root" is just a name that peoples given to 「 」, trying to describe it, nothing even implied Root and 「 」is separate entity/being/place in which 「 」is superior to Root. Also even if i go with your interpretation, then 「 」is 1-A while Root is way lower, because from your interpretation 「 」is what can't not be described and refering to Taoism, not the Root
Kind of said this before but unless High 1B is accepted that isn’t possibleAlso, I think Root is 1A while [ ] is high 1A.