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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

ByAsura said:
Also, your logic just doesn't make sense considering that it's literally about the S-Class facing monsters who make them feel fear, Orochi was dead, and the statement exists in the webcomic (where Orochi was never a thing) in almost the exact same context.
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Asura actually makes a really good point here.

It's good to contextualize statements instead of looking at the panel and taking it for face value. Right before that statement was made, it was showing the cadres, meaning that the "threats of this scale" would be referring to other monsters as strong as the cadres, not as strong as Orochi.
 
ByAsura said:
Haven't we had a million upgrade and downgrade CRTs about this? I personally choose not to involve myself in them.
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Yeah and I honestly can't believe the downgrade occurred. This is even more evidence for the scaling.
ByAsura said:
It literally does. There's no references to Orochi that you can gleam from the statement, which is what Ziller was claiming.
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Saitama having fought organizations like the MA before 100% relates. Especially because Saitama had killed Orochi, and the narrator is saying none of these threats are actually new or special.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
by the way, I think there’s a good case for a possible Boros upscale for orochi now
The main thing that I think has been overlooked is the statement in ch123(cübærî) of saitama having fought monster association level threats before
in other words, he called Boros the strongest he’d ever fought AFTER he possibly fought someone on Orochi’s level

also there’s the flashy flash saitama interaction where flashy flash mentions monster king orochi and then saitama’s like “hey maybe he’s that one guy’s parents, from the name it sounds pretty strong” which not only means that saitama didn’t even notice that orochi was the leader, but also indirectly says that he isn’t strong in that interaction (he calls him “bath monster”)
Possible good ending for Boros fans
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saitama wasn’t impressed becaused he already fought a multicontinental being before.
agaisnt boros, was the first time.
 
Cryo123 said:
Saitama having fought organizations like the MA before 100% relates. Especially because Saitama had killed Orochi, and the narrator is saying none of these threats are actually new or special.
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My guy, the narrator isn't saying all of the threats Saitama faced between Boros and Garou aren't special (and whether they are or aren't is irrelevant in this situation), he's saying the level of the Cadres (including Gums, Fuhrer Ugly, Homeless Emperor and Evil Natural Water) causing those S-Class to struggle are nothing new and special to Saitama. That does not include Orochi because he's not one of the Cadres that's causing the S-Class to struggle and feel fear at that moment, and was literally dead by the time that it was made.

I genuinely don't see what argument there is to be had here. Orochi simply isn't included within the statement due to the context it's made in. Hell, Orochi and Boros could even be counted within the encounters on par with the Cadres here (though I don't believe that because they're obviously >>> the Cadres).
 
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I mean, I think yall Boros fan should check Saitama's character evolution before claiming "but he said Boros was strong" argument. Boros was literally the first character who made Saitama use his consecutive normal punches and survived to them, and the first character who "forced" Saitama to use a Serious Punch.

After that, Boros stated Saitama was holding back at the point it wasn't even a fight for him.

Then, what happened to Saitama in the next arcs?

He now knows he doesn't even need to struggle against characters, he doesn't sense anything but being bored because he knows he can end all fights effortlessly, his ability to feel basic human emotions is becoming duller and duller, he even stated his emotions started to get numb (There also was a chapter where he stated he doesn't need a "secret technique" because he knows he can end all enemies with one punch, but don'r remember what it was). Despite Saitama started to use more serious punches after that He still thinks bad guys are only "people who say things right before getting stomped". Even after getting matched in a two-handed consecutive normal punches (remember a one-handed consecutive normal punches overwhelmed Boros) He cared more of the brat and didn't seem interested at all on the fight.

All in all, I think this (although retconned out) page represents perfectly Saitama's character right now: Ancient weapon or not, final evolution or not, whole universe or not... he has fought many "dudes" like that and doesn't care what they say because he knows they'd get stomped anyway

Edit: And, hell, even if that's not enough for you, remember Saitama grows passively to the point his yesterday self is nothing impressive to his today self. After a bit of exponential growing, he stopped caring about Cosmic Garou (who initially he wanted to "end with one hand") and started to care more about his outfit.
 
That quickly got out of hand
anyways Asura, I knew that it could be interpreted as cadre only, but also the fact that it says “threats on this scale” makes it clear to me that it can’t include Boros, which makes it clear that Boros can’t be included
I also wasn’t really saying that it was specifically targeted at Orochi, rather that the statement was referring to the monster association as a whole, which would include orochi in it.

I am realizing that it’s a not so solid argument though, so I have a plan B
 
Plan b is the statement that the 3 generals together have a tiny chance of being able to win against Orochi, which would mean “possibly at most high 6-A” scaling to orochi, which of course would make Boros scale above orochi with meteoric burst
Since it’s impossible for a a 6-C to even do reasonable chip damage to someone who’s high 6-A
 
LordTracer said:
Someone made the exact same CRT in the past and it got unanimously rejected so-

You seem to be forgetting that Groribas has dura negging acid.
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well the statement was about all three working together so even then, the other two would have to have the AP to contribute
 
ZillertheBucko said:
well the statement was about all three working together so even then, the other two would have to have the AP to contribute
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Gery and Melz distract Orochi long enough for Groribas to spit acid on him, gg, that’s all three working together.
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Yall forget the statement was made before Orochi performed its High 6-A feat
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Yeah, that too.
 
Or you could do something that’s actually productive with the scaling, instead of trying to manufacture upgrades for a character that died eight arcs ago.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
anyways Asura, I knew that it could be interpreted as cadre only, but also the fact that it says “threats on this scale” makes it clear to me that it can’t include Boros, which makes it clear that Boros can’t be included
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Like I showed, it was only a possibility by your own logic (since that's what Saitama himself says), and it could've simply included Meteoric Burst or the CSRC.

Honestly, the fact that Saitama himself can't accurately tell whether or not Boros was the strongest doesn't bode well for there being no threat on the same scale.
ZillertheBucko said:
I also wasn’t really saying that it was specifically targeted at Orochi, rather that the statement was referring to the monster association as a whole, which would include orochi in it.
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I know you weren't saying it was specifically targeted at Orochi. My point was that it was specifically targeted at those Cadres, and not the entire organisation.
 
ByAsura said:
Like I showed, it was only a possibility by your own logic, and it could've simply included Meteoric Burst or the CSRC.

I know you weren't saying it was specifically targeted at Orochi. My point was that it was specifically targeted at those Cadres.
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It’s just that it definitely wouldn’t be talking about Boros, who is pretty directly stronger than the cadre
I am still thinking of a way to make this make sense though
 
Like I said, I don't think it would be either. But it doesn't really matter if it's not regardless; what matters is if the previous statement was referring to Orochi, which the context makes unlikely.

Personally, I definitely think Orochi < Boros. But, much like Boros' speed being way lower than it should be, I can't prove that he scales to a higher value.
 
I mean my mindset right now is that the narrative obviously suggests 100000000% that Boros is far stronger than orochi so
I’m basically just fishing to find a single piece of somewhat tangible evidence that could even possibly support Boros scaling above orochi
I will stop at nothing to find some sort of panel with some tiny piece of dialogue that could possibly suggest boros > orochi without the use of a narrative argument
anything at all will be satisfactory at this stage, but I just need something, and I am pretty sure there has to be something out there.
 
Like for example, the prophecy given to Boros heavily implied that saitama was the only person on earth at the time who was capable of giving Boros a good fight
Like, very heavily implies it. Maybe we could take that route?
 
well I mean, Tatsumaki was still on earth at the time so, there’s that
the prophecy being a lie depends on if it specifically said “someone equal to Boros” or “someone who can give Boros a good fight”
 
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