One Punch Man: Major Timeframe Upgrade

[Recon1511]

Hello there folk, a friend pointed out to me in Discord that it's strange how we used the assumption of the fan translation team for the two timer feats during the late MA arc instead of using the format previously shown during the Child Emperor vs Phoenix Man fight.

This results in a substantial upgrade to these feats and does solve the rather ridiculous result of Shell Garou being subsonic (lol)

One-Punch Man: Updated Timeframe Calcs

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Please give the blog a read, I thank Kachon for recalcing the feats to account for this new timeframe. The discussion here should be then whether we stick with the fan translation assumption or not. Alternatively it could also be discussed in this thread what other methods could be used to determine the timeframe of these feats.

For now the ones immediatly affected by these changes should be:

• Garou
• Platinum Sperm
• Flashy Flash

 

[Kachon123]

The translator's assumption is just that: an assumption. The stopwatch posted on cubari is nowhere on the official release of the chapter, so it never should've been taken at face value. We see an identical stopwatch during Child Emperor's fight with Phoenix Man and it shows seconds as being the first unit. This is also far more consistent with in-verse showings, with far inferior characters to Garou like Iaian and Haragiri being much faster than bullets and the speed of sound.

I obviously agree

 

[Alexander]

******* AGREE

 

[Phoenks]

Oh wow. I thought this was just going to be more baseless assumption wank stuff at first, but no... this makes more sense lol.

If the timer was explicitly shown before with the child emperor scene, then yeah that's a lot more canon than the assumption made by the translators.

Woah!! Those numbers are insane lol.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, as big of an update this is, it looks pretty solid. So I can agree, but need evaluation from Calc Group members. And preferably ones who haven't made or assisted in the calculations.

 

[Recon1511]

Yeah, as big of an update this is, it looks pretty solid. So I can agree, but need evaluation from Calc Group members. And preferably ones who haven't made or assisted in the calculations.

Yes, I included Refir's calc for clarity since I remembered he said there were some mistakes in the first one but it'd be useful if someone properly evaluated it too.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Translations shenanigans tend to actually end up making characters stronger and such due to affecting either scaling or adding new information out of nowhere

First time i've seen translations making the characters 100x slower lmao

Yeah i agree

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I'm going to hate myself to put in doubt an upgrade for my favorite character, but...

Why Flashy Flash would scale ?

Currently he scales to his own 2 C feat while Plat and Garou previously had a 4 C feat, which I guess it's consistent with him keeping up with them for a while before they sped up even more, but what happens now that the jump is this high ? Downscale Flash ?

 

[Recon1511]

He would downscale from Platinum Sperm yes, before it was easier to just say he scaled to his own feat since it was still inferior to Platinum Sperm's but close enough that it made sense.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

He would downscale from Platinum Sperm yes, before it was easier to just say he scaled to his own feat since it was still inferior to Platinum Sperm's but close enough that it made sense.

Oh, in that case I see no problems

Others affected are:

• Ninja Arc Sonic
• Blast
• Garou
• Saitama
• Empty Void

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Oh, in that case I see no problems

Others affected are:

• Ninja Arc Sonic
• Blast
• Garou
• Saitama
• Empty Void

What about a heavily Pumped up Metal Bat; the one who kept up with Garou against Sage Centipede?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

What about a heavily Pumped up Metal Bat; the one who kept up with Garou against Sage Centipede?

I completely forgot about him shows how bad that sequence is

But yeah, he reacts to Post-Platinum Garou, he scales

 

[MrTayman616]

Yeah, both scales to it in some way if this gets accepted.

 

[Kachon123]

Saitama and Garou's Io constellation feat has been added to the blog since I forgot that it also relies on the stopwatch. It's now high into MFTL+.

 

[Anime_luffy109]

gotta agree

 

[Therefir]

The only inconsistency here is that Child Emperor's timer doesn't resemble at all the one used in the constellation feat. His shows "2:38:00", whereas the constellation feat uses "00:00'00''00'''13", suggesting they're not the same type of timer.

If you investigate on the internet, it does seem to support the translation group's version.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

As Therefir said, the emperor's clock uses (00:00:00) while the clock uses (00:00'00). The symbols used are different, so why would they mean the same thing? If the two stopwatches were truly meant to show us the same time measurement, why would they use different symbols instead of simply standardizing everything at (00:00:00) or (00:00'00)?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah I definitely don't think we should be using CEs timer as a reference point since they're pretty visibly completely different.

It's definitely worth investigating the timer for other possible interpretations since the current one is purely accepted based on what's essentially a fan assumption, but to say "well SOME timer in-universe shows this and so EVERY timer in the manga must follow the same rules" just doesn't follow.

I mean by this logic no timer in the OPM verse (both in universe and a narrator stated one) could possibly measure hours or days. Basic digital clocks would literally have to stop existing altogether for this interpretation

 

[Chariot190]

Eh, the , and : clearly differentiates them. CE's and the others are a magnitude apart due to it. The latter begin after the initial unit.
Though it's only a single subset off, pretty sure that's still an upgrade?

 

[Alexander]

even then, it still makes no sense for the timer to include hours on it if it is going to be a timer like a cronometer (who, in most cases, don't include hours).
Also why would hours even be included????

 

[Phsccarvalho]

the current one is purely accepted based on what's essentially a fan assumption,

But aren't the translators' notes about the prime symbols correct?

Prime symbols, represented by ′ and ″, are used to denote subdivisions of angles and units of time. Specifically, the single prime (′) represents minutes, and the double prime (″) signifies seconds. The less common triple prime (‴) can denote thirds in certain contexts.

While the degree symbol (°) denotes whole degrees, the prime symbols indicate finer measurements. Specifically, one degree is equivalent to 60 minutes (60′), and one minute corresponds to 60 seconds (60″). This relationship ensures precise representation of angles and time durations.

 

[Floxy178]

Yeah these timers are different. If I'm not mistaken you're assuming 13 microseconds for timeframe right? You should've used 0.000013 seconds then, by your assumption, not 0.00000013.

 

[DavidTPPM]

But aren't the translators' notes about the prime symbols correct?

Probably, I don't know much about how timers/clocks work lol. I'm only really pointing out what I can gather from the scans presented

 

[Quangotjokes]

Following

 

[Kachon123]

The only inconsistency here is that Child Emperor's timer doesn't resemble at all the one used in the constellation feat. His shows "2:38:00", whereas the constellation feat uses "00:00'00''00'''13", suggesting they're not the same type of timer.

As Therefir said, the emperor's clock uses (00:00:00) while the clock uses (00:00'00). The symbols used are different, so why would they mean the same thing? If the two stopwatches were truly meant to show us the same time measurement, why would they use different symbols instead of simply standardizing everything at (00:00:00) or (00:00'00)?

Child Emperor’s timer "2:38:00" uses a standard format where the first number (before the first colon) represents minutes and the next number represents seconds. In contrast, Garou’s timer is displayed as "00:00'00''00'''13". Notice that there is only one colon in Garou’s timer, not two. This means the first unit shown is seconds rather than minutes. If the display were tracking minutes, the format would include two colons, something like "00:00:00'00''13", but it doesn’t.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I'm pretty sure that the translators didn't assumed anything, they just explained the prime symbols

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Child Emperor’s timer "2:38:00" uses a standard format where the first number (before the first colon) represents minutes and the next number represents seconds. In contrast, Garou’s timer is displayed as "00:00'00''00'''13". Notice that there is only one colon in Garou’s timer, not two. This means the first unit shown is seconds rather than minutes. If the display were tracking minutes, the format would include two colons, something like "00:00:00'00''13", but it doesn’t.

00' means minutes tho, it's just a different way to write 00:00.

00:00:00' is basically counting the minutes twice

 

[Alexander]

00' means minutes tho, it's just a different way to write 00:00.

00:00:00' is basically counting the minutes twice

but again, it could not be hours considering that it is IRRELEVANT for the entire thing to count the hours too (the event does not happen in hours, or is not even needed)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

but again, it could not be hours considering that it is IRRELEVANT for the entire thing to count the hours too (the event does not happen in hours, or is not even needed)

Argue with prime symbols and ONE minds, not me

 

[Alexander]

Argue with prime symbols and ONE minds, not me

man is not really hard to understand

 

[Chariot190]

but again, it could not be hours considering that it is IRRELEVANT for the entire thing to count the hours too (the event does not happen in hours, or is not even needed)

I mean, by this logic, seconds are also completely irrelevant, and so is milliseconds, and minutes, and more. No matter the speed you're arguing, the first few subsets of values are completely incomparable to the end of the time table by actual magnitudes.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Like, ONE was def using a stopwatcher. He just added hours for wathever reason

 

[Damage3245]

I don't see why this is using 0.00000013 seconds?

Shouldn't it be 0.000013 seconds under this interpretation?

 

[Alexander]

Like, ONE was def using a stopwatcher. He just added hours for wathever reason

hours should not even be there, it is clear that you are interpreting it has hours even when is not

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

hours should not even be there, it is clear that you are interpreting it has hours even when is not

The hours part is irrelevant. 00:01' is the same as 01'

 

[Alexander]

The hours part is irrelevant. 00:01' is the same as 01'

except why would that even be?when a previous timer showed that : is used for minutes.

 

[Floxy178]

I don't see why this is using 0.00000013 seconds?

Shouldn't it be 0.000013 seconds under this interpretation?

Yeah, I also pointed it out.

You should've used 0.000013 seconds then, by your assumption, not 0.00000013.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

except why would that even be?when a previous timer showed that : is used for minutes.

00' means minutes
Just look at any stopwatcher

You can't go and say 00:00' and say that what is counting before the : is minutes because 00' ALSO means minutes

Otherwise ONE/Murata would have drawn the panel like 00:00", where 00" means seconds

 

[Recon1511]

I don't see why this is using 0.00000013 seconds?

Shouldn't it be 0.000013 seconds under this interpretation?

Yeah these timers are different. If I'm not mistaken you're assuming 13 microseconds for timeframe right? You should've used 0.000013 seconds then, by your assumption, not 0.00000013.

Yeah maybe there was a mistake, the feats become MFTL instead no?

 

[Kachon123]

It's been updated (sorry it was pretty late when I made this)