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Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki

Ar1216789 said:
I don't really understand the layers of plot manip, so I don't have much to comment. The same Plot Manip im talking about affected the real world players.
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I’ll repeat what I’ll said before and that that doesn’t have any effect on the potency of the plot hax unless you’re arguing it’s 1a. At this point we should just make a thread
 
RanHover60 said:
I’ll repeat what I’ll said before and that that doesn’t have any effect on the potency of the plot hax unless you’re arguing it’s 1a. At this point we should just make a thread
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Cookie Runs R>F has been argued multiple times but so for its gotten nowhere. I'll make a thread to open a discussion about it.
 
Robo432343 said:
Rules:
-Smurfs are only allowed hax that reaches up to 5D
-Speed is equalized

1. Characters from BlazBlue / Characters from What a Beautiful Series (Alva Avan Edison and M)
2. Ozriel
3. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons (The Lady of Pain and The Serpent)
4. Sacred Ancestor / Characters from Slay the Princess (The Princess and The Hero)
5. Characters from Wizard101 / Shiva
6. The Sugar Swan
7. Characters from Dragon Ball (Demigra, Arale, Goku and Fu)
8. Sora
9. Setoki Nozumu
10. Kratos / Celestial Foundation Eater
12. Yang Kai
13. The Devourer / The Player / Bill Cipher
14. Infinity Ultron and Doctor Strange Supreme
15. The Great Kitsune
16. Spawn / Knives Millions
17 The Protagonist
18. Bayonetta
19. Discord
20. Devilman
21. The Overlord
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The Overlord is equal with FSM, And weaker than Lloyd and Source Dragon
 
Ar1216789 said:
I don't really understand the layers of plot manip, so I don't have much to comment. The same Plot Manip im talking about affected the real world players.
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Quid pro quo on how layers work:

Example:

P1 has plot Hax (0 layer potency) and P2 has Plot resistance (0 layer resistance)

*P1 uses Plot Hax against P2. It fails because P2 resists.
*P3 uses Plot Hax against P2. It succeeds meaning P3’s Plot Hax operates at a higher potency than P1’s and was potent enough to bypass/overwhelm P2’s resistance = 1 Layer Potency for P3
*P3 uses Plot Hax against P4. It fails meaning P4’s plot resistance operates at resiliency higher than P2’s to be able to resist P3’s Hax = 1 Layer Resistance for P4
*P5 uses Plot Hax against P4. It succeeds meaning P5’s Plot Hax operates at a higher potency than P3’s and was potent to bypass/overwhelm P4’s Resistance = 2 Layer Potency for P5.

And so on and so forth. Layered Hax and Resistance basically adds addition “layers” of potency to Hax and resiliency to resistances. If your character has no layers to speak of and/or fewer than someone else’s then no amount of plot Hax used by them can affect the opposition and no amount of resistance they would have protect them plot Hax from the opposition as well.

Also Layers don’t matter when faced with a higher dimensional potency.

For Example:
P6 has 100 Layers of Plot Resistance (4-D)
P7 has 1000 layers of plot resistance (4-D)
P8 has ♾️ layers of Plot resistance (4-D)

P9 has 1 layer of Plot Hax potency (5-D)
P9 can affect P6, P7 and P8 because while P9 has less layers his Hax operates at an infinitely higher level.
 
I doubt you can kill a being who cannot die as long as a certain concept exists (AE type 1) by… doing affecting something entirely different that said concept. Going by the AE type 1 page:
Type 1: Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars.
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Arale cannot affect the abstraction, so she can't affect SS. Period
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
I doubt you can kill a being who cannot die as long as a certain concept exists (AE type 1) by… doing affecting something entirely different that said concept. Going by the AE type 1 page:

Arale cannot affect the abstraction, so she can't affect SS. Period
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Sugar swan just gets incapacitated by having their fundamental information changed or erased.
 
Assuming DBH characters can’t affect SS, wouldn’t they incon via defensive causality manipulation that just undoes anything she does or their other wall of haxes and resistances?
 
RanHover60 said:
Assuming DBH characters can’t affect SS, wouldn’t they incon via defensive causality manipulation that just undoes anything she does or their other wall of haxes and resistances?
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All her Pets and Invocation Cards are passive. Then we have her Curse that negates all powers and debuffs opponent.s
 
RanHover60 said:
A lot of DBH character haxes are passive too, including power null and the aforementioned causality manip
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Check the Sugar Swans page. Better and more Passive Hax and then we have her concept manip. Passive Coin Magic which turns anyone in Radius to Coins.
 
Ar1216789 said:
Check the Sugar Swans page. Better and more Passive Hax and then we have her concept manip. Passive Coin Magic which turns anyone in Radius to Coins.
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All of them save for law, concept and plot get resisted meanwhile Sugar Swan can’t negate their fate and causality manip, which are passive too.
 
RanHover60 said:
All of them save for law, concept and plot get resisted meanwhile Sugar Swan can’t negate their fate and causality manip, which are passive too.
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Fate can be avoided in Cookie Run. (Check Sea Fairy's profile) She can also undo effects of causality. Keep in mind shes Large Size Type 10 so these attacks cover a HUGE distance
 
Ar1216789 said:
Fate can be avoided in Cookie Run. (Check Sea Fairy's profile) She can also undo effects of causality. Keep in mind shes Large Size Type 10 so these attacks cover a HUGE distance
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iirc all time power hax is layered, not to mention nothing on SF’s profile remotely mentions her being able to undo causality.
DBH characters also literally have the range to effect large size type 10 characters lol
 
RanHover60 said:
iirc all time power hax is layered, not to mention nothing on SF’s profile remotely mentions her being able to undo causality.
DBH characters also literally have the range to effect large size type 10 characters lol
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She can undo it. She's been portrayed to undo cause and effect in the game. I also explained how it can be avoided. She has lots of thought based hax, and much more Passive Hax. They can't even win considering they can't affect her via Abstract Existence.
 
Ar1216789 said:
She can undo it. She's been portrayed to undo cause and effect in the game. .
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So put it on the profiles.
Ar1216789 said:
I also explained how it can be avoided.
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Time power has layered fate and causality manip, not to mention it can work on type 4 acausals who explicitly resist fate and operate outside of conventional causality.
Ar1216789 said:
She has lots of thought based hax, and much more Passive Hax.
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All of which are resisted save for concept manip and plot manip, with it not even being elaborated on how she uses it in combat.

Ar1216789 said:
They can't even win considering they can't affect her via Abstract Existence.
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Incon at best considering she can’t permanently incapacitate them due to passive causality and fate manip, along with passive subjective reality and history and type 2 info erasure to erase any of her projectiles (all of which are layered).
 
RanHover60 said:
So put it on the profiles.

Time power has layered fate and causality manip, not to mention it can work on type 4 acausals who explicitly resist fate and operate outside of conventional causality.

All of which are resisted save for concept manip and plot manip, with it not even being elaborated on how she uses it in combat.


Incon at best considering she can’t permanently incapacitate them due to passive causality and fate manip, along with passive subjective reality and history and type 2 info erasure to erase any of her projectiles (all of which are layered).
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Almost all DBZ Hax she has to a higher extent, besides Arales Layered Plot Manip and Info Manip (which wouldn't work on her)

Go Sea Fairy's Profile-> Fate manip at the bottom. It can be avoided in Cookie Run

Considering someone like Timekeeper has Causality Manip theres no reason the Sugar Swan wouldn't. (Notes on Sugar Swans profile)

Subjective Reality and History are verse-wide hax in cookie run
 
Brogeefrong said:
I dont think the Top tiers for DB could even interact with SS cause Type 1 Concept, AE
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They should put DB (Arale) and Sugar Swan as interchangeable. Seems most reasonable to me. Or if they can't interact with her it should remain the way it is.
 
Ok here is the thing time power users can reverse the action of whatever ss does by nullifying time as explained in there causality manipulation section passively
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Ok here is the thing time power users can reverse the action of whatever ss does by nullifying time as explained in there causality manipulation section passively
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The attacks are coming from a type 1 conceptual being who they can’t even perceive
Also they can’t nullify conceptual abilities
 
Robo432343 said:
The attacks are coming from a type 1 conceptual being who they can’t even perceive
Also they can’t nullify conceptual abilities
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You are confusing things here they aren't affecting ss here but the time that affects there body this undoing whatever changes happen to them by reversing causality it is kinda like ger

 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
I doubt you can kill a being who cannot die as long as a certain concept exists (AE type 1) by… doing affecting something entirely different that said concept. Going by the AE type 1 page:

Arale cannot affect the abstraction, so she can't affect SS. Period
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Ar1216789 said:
Period
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I’m not gonna get into it too much (as I’m currently at work) but I will say at least that both Sugar Swan and Arale likely incon each other. Arale can’t put down SS due to her AE1 based on Concepts. But Arale has Multilocation which allows her to simultaneously operate inside and outside of the plot at the same times.

Why is the important?
Because as far as VBW is concerned, Their is the DBH main multiverse with all its collection of 5-D Timelines and then their is the CoT which is an area that characters with standard 5-D range cannot reach nor affect normally. “So basically 1 layered 5-D range”. And then the area outside the plot exists outside the story and completely cosmology of DBH in its entirety and is an area where characters who have threatened to destroy all things across the DBH cosmology cannot reach nor affect. That’s makes the area outside the plot 2 layers above standard 5-D range. And Arale can simultaneously be in the multiverse and outside the plot at the same time.

What does this mean?
Even if Arale can’t put down Sugar Swan, SS can’t reach nor affect Arale outside of the plot. It is an area beyond SS reach. So they both realistically incon each other.

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Not to mention SS would need to necessary 4th wall breaking feats to begin with to perceive the Arale outside the plot. If she doesn’t have the necessary 4th wall awareness then something akin to THIS FOR EXAMPLE WOULD HAPPEN. SS would be in a loop of not being able to perceive Arale nor reach her either.
 
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Ss3micah said:
I’m not gonna get into it too much (as I’m currently at work) but I will say at least that both Sugar Swan and Arale likely incon each other. Arale can’t put down SS due to her AE1 based on Concepts. But Arale has Multilocation which allows her to simultaneously operate inside and outside of the plot at the same times.

Why is the important?
Because as far as VBW is concerned, Their is the DBH main multiverse with all its collection of 5-D Timelines and then their is the CoT which is an area that characters with standard 5-D range cannot reach nor affect normally. “So basically 1 layered 5-D range”. And then the area outside the plot exists outside the story and completely cosmology of DBH in its entirety and is an area where characters who have threatened to destroy all things across the DBH cosmology cannot reach nor affect. That’s makes the area outside the plot 2 layers above standard 5-D range. And Arale can simultaneously be in the multiverse and outside the plot at the same time.

What does this mean?
Even if Arale can’t put down Sugar Swan, SS can’t reach nor affect Arale outside of the plot. It is an area beyond SS reach. So they both realistically incon each other.

EDIT:
Not to mention SS would need to necessary 4th wall breaking feats to begin with to perceive the Arale outside the plot. If she doesn’t have the necessary 4th wall awareness then something akin to THIS FOR EXAMPLE WOULD HAPPEN. SS would be in a loop of not being able to perceive Arale nor reach her either.
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The Sugar Swan talks to the Player and other Cookies talk to the Developers and is casually beyond the authority of the Executive Producer. They all know their world is fictional. (Cookie run cosmology blog) Cookies have been to the Human World (Executive Producers desk to be precise) She also has an avatar in every existing universe, omnipresence is also on her page. Speed is equalized, so her Omnipresence won't do much
 
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