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Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki
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Robo, Sugar Swan now has Plot Manip and Resistance to Plot Manip. Will this get her any higher?
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you need to make a match
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I mean on the list, can she get higher than 6 with her new plot manip and resistance to it
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How is she above DBH? It looks like she justs gets kicked out of existence as soon as the match begins, also arale exists
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dbh cant interact with this
Abstract Existence (Type 1; Concept; Sugar Swan embodies Nature, which she created, and her physical forms being an avatar of Nature, like the other Legendary Cookies, each representing their foundational abstract idea) Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; Nature is a metaphysical entity that creates the laws and fundamental principles that fuel the world, allowing it to continue to exist, and is also described to be a divine balance, with things like the feeling of coldness and warmth coexisting. Created all concepts and their foundational ideas that govern reality and allows it to exist, as well as a dual system being present.
also she has high godly history regen
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A. Arale exists
B. Arale has layered plot manip
C. DBH may or not get back their type 2 data, so cookie AE won't do much
D. I know for a fact that they won't go above ozriel
Fair, but three hings
A. Arale exists
B. Arale has layered plot manip
C. DBH may or not get back their type 2 data, so cookie AE won't do much
D. I know for a fact that they won't go above ozriel
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Bro show me arale fighting
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Sugar Swan has plot manipulation and resistance to it. She has High-Godly Regen, and Passive EE and Transmutation, Large Size Type 10, Passive Concept Destruction and Creation, Subjective Reality, etc.. Concept Manip type 1 (all concepts) and more. How is he gonna escape passive EE, Transmutation, Deconstruction from someone Large Size Type 10? She can also alter his narrative structure.
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Arale plot manip is layered
Based on history, which won't protect her from Arale several methods of incap, or DBH future data type 2
Passive data 2 say no
She has so many ways to deal with that crap it isn't even funny, just to mention some: Plot manip, 4th wall break, data type 2, supernatural luck, toonforce
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What about her counters to her Large Size Type 10? I don't see a way she can bypass it considering the Plot Manip Sugar Swan has and passive abilities. Whats stopping her from conceptually erasing her. She has concept manip type 1 all concepts. If all else fails, which I doubt, she can throw her into a time pocket. timeless and spaceless void that exists outside the multiverse.
Also considering Sugar Swans Passive Fate Manip, which grants her victory as long as she keeps hope. As well as Sugar Swans wish granting stated to grant almost everything. (Cookie Run Wish Festival)
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Super natural luck, layered plot manip, and Data type 2 literally making it so Arale forces Sugar swann to act like she is having an stroke
Arale 4th walls that shit
To be honest, with the passive fate manip you could argue that an incon exists...Someone should make the matchup
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You do realize Cookies literally talk to the Player of the Game and the developers. They got nothing on her.
How is she bypassing Sugar Swans Abstract Existence, High-Godly Regen, thats very hard to kill and considering her Immortality Types 1,4, and 9. Her true body exists is unknown. All her feats are her avatar. We just know her real form is a HDE.
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That is cute, but Arale trolls her literal mangaka (I.E. AUTHOR), in a daily basis
By incapping?
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arale doesn’t even fight
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What
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It is nlf to assume arale plot hax can interact with cm 1 when the verse has not shown feats like that
How many times do we have to tell you this old man!!
How many times do we have to tell you this old man!!
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But she does trought.
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It might sound crazy what I'm about to say...
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I...What? She is affecting her data, something she doesn't have any resistance to
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And cm can't also interact with Plot, genius. Tho it doesn't matter since arale has alot...and i mean alot of wincons such as driving others to madness, cause them to feel fear, make them commit self ending of life, or just destroying thier mind and thought bubbles, etc...
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No. Read the plot manip page
Regarding No-Limits Fallacies, users cannot simply be assumed to bring out any imaginable effect. They are assumed to be limited in both applications and scale to what they demonstrated or can be reasoned to be capable based of reliable statements. For instance, a character whose plot manipulation can affect concepts, would need to also demonstrate the ability to affect information for them to utilize both in a combat setting. See here for more information regarding this topic.
arales wincon won’t even work because she can’t interact with a cm 1 being
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She is interacting with the data of her, not the concepts of her, this is the same reason why Yang inconed kratos
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Genuinely, how is it bypassing Sugar Swans passive hax at Large Size Type 10 with Passive Fate Manip thats grant her victory.
Arale doesn't even fight. Her layers of plot manip is something the Sugar Swan can resist. Also, The Sugar Swan has higher authority than the Executive Producer of Cookie Run. She resisted an attack that affected the real world Player. Her Plot Manip is also compared to that of the writers.
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Because her type 10 is based on a 5-d structure, and Arale scales to DBH nonesical scaling of size (which starts in a 5-D structure as big as Sugar swans, btw)
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Why would you even assume the cosmology of Dragon Ball is larger than Cookie Runs.
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A universe timeline is already a 5-D structure, multiply that by the infinite ammounts of universe there are.
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A dream in the world of dreams is 2-A in size and each dream stacks endlessly. And theres infinite dreams. So each dream should be 5D via infinite 2-A. so each dream should be at least 5-D.
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That isn't how it works, that is still 2-A, just at a higher grade
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Each dream is a hierarchy of infinite 2-A'S.
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You’d need to prove an uncountable infinity to reach 5D territory
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I think you are saying that cookie cosmology is like DBH, but in steroids, but you don't understand why DBH cosmology is 5-D to begin with
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The World of Dreams is above time and space, as well as the infinite Multiverse. Also, its metaphysical and physical laws don't apply there. Its conceptually abstract as well.
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And 2-A is...still smaller than infinite numbers of low 1-C structures by a kilometer.
As for the other points you mentioned here
And she bypass her passive fate manipulation by low 1-C Fate Manipulation, resistances to it and Plot Manipulation/Causality Manipulation.
And arale has better feats and usages of plot manipulation, she can just rewrite the entire narrative with a thought, leave it, erase it and just ignore it completely. And it doesn't matter much when arale also have insane levels of RE, so even if Swan has equal plot manipulation, arale would just surpass it or copy it.
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I'm not gonna argue on the cosmology of DBZ for now since the world of dreams is a weird thing to discuss with its Nature, because one dream has a L1-C realms as well, nor is it the true conversation so i'm not gonna get too into this.
Sugar Swan resisted Plot Manip which affected Players as well as the Executive Producer of Cookie Run who exist in the Real World. I hardly doubt this would work on the Sugar Swan. She also has other passive hax abstract existence and concept manip type 1.
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Cool, that’s one layer of plot manip. Too bad Arale can do the same and she gets more enhanced plot manip even after that.
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Does Arale have Plot Manip which affects Toriyama or readers? If yes, then Sugar Swan resists it. If anything lower, then she obviously resists it.
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This isn’t even acknowledging the wall of haxes she possesses that sugar swan has no resistance to or the passives of characters like Mechikabura and Demigra
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I don’t think you understand. Nothing about this feat makes it more impressive than a conventional plot manip resistance. You’d have to argue that that level of plot manip is more impressive than the normal type through in verse showings (of which there don’t exist) meaning Arale just outlayers
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I don't really understand the layers of plot manip, so I don't have much to comment. The same Plot Manip im talking about affected the real world players.
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