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Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki

Livinmeme said:
NGMI
In all reality, that is the most logical explination of how CM1 work
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CM1 is just a broad term for concept that independent of reality, something that we, vsbw users created and i will repeat again, independent =/= superiority. There is no most logical explanation here, cause i already gave actual example of why independent concept doesn't mean said concept superior to what it govern
 
Robo432343 said:
bro what are you talking about? the person with type 1 CM would need proof of affecting the concept of nothingness
How is the concept of circles for example going to govern nothingness? Nothingness isn't a circle, it isn't fire, it isn't any concept based on any existing thing. The only concept that would work would be the concept of nothingness which Garfield if he had CM 1 would need proof of affecting
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The CM Type 1 would not need to directly affect The Concept of Nothingness if the Concept is only type 2, and could instead affect what it's bounded to, if it's bounded to something nonexistent, then sure the Type 1 cant affect either without feats, but if it's bounded to something in reality, it can be affected
 
Robo432343 said:
broge thinks CM 1 can interact with nonexistent physiology type 2 aspect 2 if the person with NEP aspect 2 aspect is a type 2 concept
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I mean, depend, since the NEP guy lack concept aspect, CM can't interact with him, but some fiction characters have feat capable of applying concept into objects, person, etc....these kind of characters can definitely doing something to NEP guy who lack concept. So it is depending on available feats

Or you need to overwhelming the NEP guy with higher dimensionality power and the NEP guy lack feat of surviving after getting slapped by such a force
 
Robo432343 said:
we are assuming the guy with CM 1 has no feats of interacting with nep 2 aspect 2 if he is a type 2 concept
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I editted my comment, but anyway like i said, depend on what kind of feats the guy with CM1 have been showing, if he has feat applying concept to objects, persons, etc...... then he can force a concept on the NEP guy, make him now do not lacking a concept anymore, but if CM1 guy have no such feat then yeah he can't do anything unless his CM1 is platonic-type concept
 
Robo432343 said:
you are just making up your own standards man..
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those arent my own, thats just how concept type 2 works, it can be affected indirectly by what it’s bound to
Robo432343 said:
i made this thread
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ANSWER THIS QUESTION PLEASE

Character A has 8-D soul crush Character B has 5-D high godly regeneration Will Character A bypass the high godly regeneration? question2 basically character A has type 1 concept hax, has no feats of interacting with NEP 2 aspect 2 is fighting B who has nonexistent physiology type 2 aspect 2...
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lebron james
 
Robo432343 said:
@Brogeefrong see bro i told u
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Was this scenario even taken into account, it's not directly manipulating the Nonexistent Concept here
Brogeefrong said:
The CM Type 1 would not need to directly affect The Concept of Nothingness if the Concept is only type 2, and could instead affect what it's bounded to, if it's bounded to something nonexistent, then sure the Type 1 cant affect either without feats, but if it's bounded to something in reality, it can be affected
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Robo432343 said:
yes it is
saying someone with CM 1 can interact with type 2 concept nep with no feats is and will always be an nlf
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He mean that rather than directly interacting with concept, you can indirectly affect the concept by affect what the concept tied to, since Type 2 mean the concept itself is dependent on something, if you affect said thing, it will create a chain reaction that alter the concept

However in this case, CM1 guy try to affect the NEP guy that lack concept type 2, so it is pointless since there is no concept to interact with, and the concept is absence, it can't be tied to anything for CM1 guy to indirectly affect the concept via affect what the concept tied to. And even if we sematically nitpicking thing, type 2 concept of nothingness will be tied to the nothingness itself, since it describe what is nothingness, that go back to the start where you need to be able interact with the nothingness first in order to indirectly affect type 2 concept of nothingness
 
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Vietthai96 said:
He mean that rather than directly interacting with concept, you can indirectly affect the concept by affect what the concept tied to, since Type 2 mean the concept itself is dependent on something, if you affect said thing, it will create a chain reaction that alter the concept

However in this case, CM1 guy try to affect the NEP guy that lack concept type 2, so it is pointless since there is no concept to interact with, and the concept is absence, it can't be tied to anything for CM1 guy to indirectly affect the concept via affect what the concept tied to.
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Doesnt the concept still paradoxically exist, like what the NEP page says “Nonexistent Physiology refers to the ability to lack certain aspects of one's existence, to paradoxically 'exist,' yet lack certain identifiable traits of existence or exist outside of a particular scope of 'existence.'” and would still be tied to something
Vietthai96 said:
And even if we sematically nitpicking thing, type 2 concept of nothingness will be tied to the nothingness itself, since it describe what is nothingness, that go back to the start where you need to be able interact with the nothingness first in order to indirectly affect type 2 concept of nothingness
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Yeah thats for nothingness but what about lacking something the concept of something not inherently nonexistent
 
Brogeefrong said:
Doesnt the concept still paradoxically exist, like what the NEP page says “Nonexistent Physiology refers to the ability to lack certain aspects of one's existence, to paradoxically 'exist,' yet lack certain identifiable traits of existence or exist outside of a particular scope of 'existence.'” and would still be tied to something
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unless the guy is NEP Nature 3, otherwise it make no sense. The paradoxical part is just mean that normally nothingness mean, nothing exist, however still some how existing, it have almost nothing on aspect
Brogeefrong said:
Yeah thats for nothingness but what about lacking something the concept of something not inherently nonexistent
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the.................what?????, now you make no sense bruhh

Tbf, current NEP is a mess
 
Vietthai96 said:
unless the guy is NEP Nature 3, otherwise it make no sense. The paradoxical part is just mean that normally nothingness mean, nothing exist, however still some how existing, it have almost nothing on aspect
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If it somehow still exist, and counts as a concept, shouldnt it still be tied to whatever it’s linked to, also also if it is a Type 3, is it possible?
Vietthai96 said:
the.................what?????, now you make no sense bruhh
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Like the concept is tied to nothingness in this situation, what if its something else
Vietthai96 said:
Tbf, current NEP is a mess
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mood
 
Brogeefrong said:
If it somehow still exist, and counts as a concept, shouldnt it still be tied to whatever it’s linked to, also also if it is a Type 3, is it possible?
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if the concept still exist, then the character in question will never lack it in the first place, which mean his nonexistence aspect is wrong, unless he is NEP Nature Type 3, which allow for paradoxical existence even with the aspects
Brogeefrong said:
Like the concept is tied to nothingness in this situation, what if its something else
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no, it is impossible, concept type 3 tied with what it describes, concept type 2 of circle describe the fundamental principle of circle, and also tied to said circle, concept type 2 of nothingness describe properties of nothingness and also tied to it, you can't have a concept type 2 that somehow tied to a completely different thing that it not describe and govern over, the only concept that is possible in such a way in our current system is concept type 3, as it is lesser realist concept, it is tied to what it describe and govern, at the same time it is a part of a larger reality

Anyway i'm gonna sleep, it is midnight in my country now
 
Oh right, I remember reading a question here. The note on Acausality Type 5 about needing feats, that was because Acausality Type 5 was changed from something that ignored dimensionality to something that was limited by it. So it was about Tier 1, not about Concepts or anything.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Amusing to see my obscure Nyarlathotep's generating pages of discussion.

Like us WABS guys are just chilling, and this discussion is still ongoing.
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Surprising how M went from not so being quite broken ish (but still fairly powerful) to becoming pretty broken and even abstractically hard to affect lol.

That's not even adding Edison whose basically another M (Nyarlathotep) and more, and both got pretty good hax resistances from a growing Nyar owo.
 
Robo432343 said:
oh wtf
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Spaces in Times Dragon Ball revision

Continuation of this thread, will make the arguments very clear now with a voting poll from the beginning, full disclosure though, if this becomes as much of a mess and flood and the last thread i will ask for this to be closed and make a staff thread instead, clear? ok, so for the thread itself...
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No more 5-D DB???
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To my understanding, the DBH cosmology is still composite, and I believe there is still a hyper-timeline based on the other universe in the timeline.
 
With Ultima's revisions making 6-D now part of 1-C, this may end up being the real list for Strongest Low 1-C people
 
Robo432343 said:
im so confused
how does ultima's thread affect this thread
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This will replace the strongest non smurf....
Sad because I like dedicated threads, easier to ignore all of the mess that generates when two BS series duke it out
 
I'm not sure if this is because of some input I provided at some point, but Grandfather Spider wouldn't be the strongest Wiz character if we assume the verse stays at 5D. In theory, Bartleby, Grandfather Spider, and Grandmother Raven are equal by necessity. In practice, Raven sealed Spider away in the Black Hole (not an actual "black hole") for millennia, stole his heart (his main power source), and then went on to nearly kill (weakened) Bartleby in Arc 3 so he couldn't stop her from killing Spider.
Bartleby definitely has the best showing of hax though and it's not even close in that front.
 
Robo432343 said:
idk where i should put bill
so i did a random thing
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Well he should be above Davoth at the very least, considering he can't do anything when bills decides that the creator of the multiverse, is going to get demoted to party balloons
 
To be brutal here, i hate trying to enforce verse to being too hyperspecific to get abilities, like, when a verse is not hyperspecific it do not get abilities, but when a verse being hyperspecific, people start claiming that the verse are aware of powerscaling term and then deny the verse altogether, so we got nothing at all
 
Vietthai96 said:
To be brutal here, i hate trying to enforce A verse being too hyperspecific to get abilities, like, when a verse is not hyperspecific it does not get abilities, but when a verse is hyperspecific, people start claiming that the verse is aware of powerscaling term and that denies the verse altogether, so we got nothing at all
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But yeah, I agree, doesn't help the wonky scaling, and pseudo science this wiki loves to use
 
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The Bakery (Cookie Clicker)

The Bakery is the simple bakery established by a single bored baker. As their ambitions grow, so does the Bakery, growing into a theocracy based around the worship of cookies, and with its cookies ultimately encompassing and transcending the universe. Tier: Low 1-C Civilization Type...
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