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Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki

Pepsimanslover_69 said:
Sure, but would he get the chance to even use it considering the Supernatural Luck that toons have?
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Would being a Type 4 Acasual bypass that? Also not sure it would work against Madness Hax, since it's an attack a user does to themselves, and the Luck only seems to work against something physical
 
I mean Bill still got tricked by people less intelligent than Bugs and killed/trapped forever, so..
 
Bugs is a master in screwing/tricking people, so he just trolls with him, before winning using plot manip
 
Does the Type 5 Acausality for the What a Beautiful Series Encompass Type 1 CM? Cause on the profiles they seem to be on the same level
 
As far as know CM type 1 doesn't let you interact with acausality type 5 anymore, you need feats.

So idk how to answer that question, the 2 abilities don't interact with each other, unless I am mistaken and standards changed again...

M and Edison have a lot going on with their existence, they are abstract beings of a type 1 concept, type 5 acausals, and NEP type 2.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
As far as know CM type 1 doesn't let you interact with acausality type 5 anymore, you need feats.
So idk how to answer that question, the 2 abilities don't interact with each other, unless I am mistaken and standards changed again...
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On the Acasuality page, its only up to whats been shown they've been unchanging to
Celestial_Pegasus said:
M and Edison have a lot going on with their existence, they are abstract beings of a type 1 concept, type 5 acausals, and NEP type 2.
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With Blazblue's Passive Beyond Infinite Layers Hax, if the Type 5 doesnt protect them, they probably lose
 
I mean, while Bill is probably gonna be Low 1-C, I don't think he'll be 5D in dimensionality, so you don't need 5D hax to affect him.

As for Blazblue, Glass is the expert on that front.
 
Contradictions are part of Steampunck lore like for example, nothing exists in Sharnoth, but everything also exists ie it's literal nothingness, just a dark realm, but it also has the shape of buildings....

Their unchanging nature and being type 1 concepts aren't really stated to be intertwined.

You can infer it maybe, it's stated that Sharnoth and thus M/Edison is unchanging, but at the same time Sharnoth is a realm that is beyond time, space and causality.

M being Sharnoth itself, and M being conceptual, you can say Sharnoth is conceptual.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Contradictions are part of Steampunck lore like for example, nothing exists in Sharnoth, but everything also exists ie it's literal nothingness, just a dark realm, but it also has the shape of buildings....

Their unchanging nature and being type 1 concepts aren't really stated to be intertwined.

You can infer it maybe, it's stated that Sharnoth and thus M/Edison is unchanging, but at the same time Sharnoth is a realm that is beyond time, space and causality.

M being Sharnoth itself, and M being conceptual, you can say Sharnoth is conceptual.
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so I'm guessing causality in the verse doesnt encompasses Type 1
 
The only type 1 concepts in verse are M and Edison, and Azathoth really, and maybe Sanido, so basically the God tiers.

There maybe an argument for Leo from Valusia, based on his complete independence from the world, but not clear if that has to do with any conceptual shenanigans or something else since Valusia is still untranslated, just like quite a few other portions of the verse, so we don't really know if any other type 1 concepts exist, for now we can say no.

Again not really clear how acausality vs cm is treated, but anyway I said pages ago, that imo M and Edsion are just very hard to affect, Blazeblue has stronger hax.
 
CodeCCLL said:
By what standards do you say this? Sonic standards?
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Acausality (Type 5 - M is beyond time, space and causality[4]. He exists as that which is not within, the outside itself[10], he is a transcendent being of the outer universe[11] of Sharnoth, which is an eternally unchanging world[1]. M is unchanging, with time, and anything else humans value holding no meaning to him[1])
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 - Sharnoth, an infinite world[1] is the way it is[1] because M feels nothing. The infinite darkness of Sharnoth and M are the same thing. All areas of darkness are his domain[8]. his "Jet Black" being beyond time, space and causality[4])
His Type 1 is from being beyond Time, Space, and Causality
Robo432343 said:
we should talk about how it makes no sense for a guy with type 1 concept hax to interact with NEP 2 aspect 2 just because the concept they lack is a type 2 concept. it doesn't matter what number it is, they still lack the concept in the first place
saying, "he doesn't lack a type 1 concept so concept hax can work" doesn't make any sense
this guy is NOT interacting with this guy
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I mean, im pretty sure type 1 concepts are more abstract/fundemental, and a concept type 2 nep would lack something less abstract/fundemental
 
Brogeefrong said:
I mean, im pretty sure type 1 concepts are more abstract/fundemental, and a concept type 2 nep would lack something less abstract/fundemental
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it does not matter if the concept number is more fundamental if they lack the concept in the first place
using your logic anyone with CM 1 can interact with nep 2 aspect 2 even though they have no feats of interacting with something like that just because the concept type is different
if garfield had conceptual manip type 1, do you think he would be able to interact with nep 2 aspect 2 just because the person with nep 2 aspect 2 is a type 2 concept?
 
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Robo432343 said:
it does not matter if the concept number is more fundamental if they lack the concept in the first place
using your logic anyone with CM 1 can interact with nep 2 aspect 2 even though they have no feats of interacting with something like that just because the concept type is different
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They would not be lacking the more fundamental concept if they were an aspect 2 for CM2, also since it’s a type 2 Concept, could it still be interacted indirectly because it’s dependent on something in reality
Robo432343 said:
if garfield had conceptual manip type 1, do you think he would be able to interact with nep 2 aspect 2 just because the person with nep 2 aspect 2 is a type 2 concept?
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This doesnt prove anything
 
Robo432343 said:
They are not above it, they are independent, it's two separate things. Type 1 Concepts, can have superiority over what they govern, however in the default description, they don't.
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If thats the case, shouldnt a Type 2 Concept NEP still be affect still be affected by the alteration of reality, also the NEP page says "They are hence immune to regular manipulation of said concept(s). Which type of concept should be mentioned on the profile." which implies it depends what Type it is
 
Brogeefrong said:
On an abstract/fundamental level, a Type 1 is above what it governs, while a Type 2 is on the same level as what it governs
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That wrong, Type 1 is just independent of reality, the only concept type that is superior to what it governs is Platonic-type concept, since according to platonic concept, the physical reality is just a shadow, and extension of the abstract concept itself. Our type 1 concept is just a broad definition for all concepts that is independent from what it govern, Jungian Archetype also a concept that independent from reality but not superior to it. People just arbitrary think that Type 1 is all platonic-type concept since current type 1 is the fusion of old type 1 which is called true platonic concept and old type 2 which is called false platonic concept bruhh

Also my sematic nitpicking: independent =/= superiority. I'm independent from the house i built, doesn't mean i'm superior to it, the house can still crush me if it fall on me
 
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