Spider-Man: No Way Home Discussion Thread - WITH SPOILERS

[ArkhamDC06]

They really did good with the character. He's more adjusted, has more presence, funny lines and even more of a threat than he was in his universe (again, he overpowers the three Spider-Mans at the same time during the final battle, just imagine how stronger he could have been)

This brings up a big regret I have about the MCU, it's that there doesn't seem to be a Norman Osborn or Oscorp so we will never have a proper MCU version of the Goblin

 

[Lonkitt]

I remember that we got a tease of Harry and Gwen in the MCU (via IDs of them on a table), but since Peter's fought and cured Goblin, I'm seriously wondering how they'll manage to pull off an MCU variant in a way that feels right

 

[LeeAgus]

So guys, will the profiles of all the characters that appeared in No Way Home be updated?

 

[Lonkitt]

Yeah, but not immediately

 

[ArkhamDC06]

They should get a NWH key and a new pic for each one of them (and maybe a quote corresponding to NWH)

 

[Lonkitt]

They should get a NWH key and a new pic for each one of them (and maybe a quote corresponding to NWH)

Still got that TASM Peter one on hand, I'll be disappointed if his page doesn't get it

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Still got that TASM Peter one on hand, I'll be disappointed if his page doesn't get it

Wich one?

 

[Lonkitt]

“I lost…I lost Gwen, my…she was my MJ. I couldn’t save her. I’m never gonna be able to forgive myself for that. But I carried on, I tried to, um…tried to keep going, tried to keep being the, uh…the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, cuz’ I know that’s what she would’ve wanted, but…’some point I just stopped pulling my punches. I got rageful. I got bitter. I just don’t want you to end up like…like me.” -TASM Peter to MCU Peter

 

[KLOL506]

They should get a NWH key and a new pic for each one of them (and maybe a quote corresponding to NWH)

Not Ock, he'd just straight-up get upgraded, he's the same exact Ock we see drown at the end of SM2.

 

[Lonkitt]

Ock should still get a key IMO. He's significantly stronger than his SM2 self

 

[KLOL506]

Ock should still get a key IMO. He's significantly stronger than his SM2 self

We could make a nanobot key for him. But his base form was clobbering Iron Spider real good.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

We could make a nanobot key for him. But his base form was clobbering Iron Spider real good.

Doc Ock doesn't need a pic, I agree. He should get a nano key though

 

[ArkhamDC06]

“I lost…I lost Gwen, my…she was my MJ. I couldn’t save her. I’m never gonna be able to forgive myself for that. But I carried on, I tried to, um…tried to keep going, tried to keep being the, uh…the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, cuz’ I know that’s what she would’ve wanted, but…’some point I just stopped pulling my punches. I got rageful. I got bitter. I just don’t want you to end up like…like me.” -TASM Peter to MCU Peter

Like I said, I just love Garfield as Spider-Man, even more than Tobey

 

[Lonkitt]

We could make a nanobot key for him. But his base form was clobbering Iron Spider real good.

Which I do agree with, though we can't scale that to his Raimi Trilogy base considering Base MCU Peter and the other Spider-Men were inferior to Ock in this movie + were on the same level as one another

 

[KLOL506]

Which I do agree with, though we can't scale that to his Raimi Trilogy base considering Base MCU Peter and the other Spider-Men were inferior to Ock in this movie + were on the same level as one another

Hmmmmm, does base Ock overpower Tobey or Andrew in NWH?

 

[Lonkitt]

He does. Both at the same time in fact

 

[KLOL506]

He does. Both at the same time in fact

Without the Nanobots? Ock does it to 'em both without the Nanobots?

 

[Lonkitt]

He does it without the Nanobots. The Nanobots are back with Peter, but it only really creates a new Spider Emblem so this isn't a case of Integrated Peter being High 8-C, the suit even lacks the bulletproof aspect of the Iron Spider

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Aunt May...

 

[Lonkitt]

Aunt May...

: (

 

[Qawsedf234]

We could make a nanobot key for him. But his base form was clobbering Iron Spider real good.

MCU Spider-Man is so green Captain America would roll him if he didn't hold back. Doc Ock crushing him isn't that wild.

 

[Lonkitt]

MCU Spider-Man is so green Captain America would roll him if he didn't hold back. Doc Ock crushing him isn't that wild.

I wouldn't go that far considering he easily defeated Falcon and Winter Soldier. Peter's a lot more skilled than people give him credit for. Not to mention he acted as the strategist for the older Peters

 

[Lonkitt]

Another thing to consider: Iron Man did say that Cap outskills Peter quite a bit, but it's not as if that was taking into account all of the abilities the Tech Suit wasn't allowing him to utilize at the time.

I agree that Steve is more skilled than Peter, Bucky, and Sam, but just some food for thought

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Sorry I'll go through it later. The answer is probs obvious. But I'll ask anyway.

Are we gonna wait a while before applying all the upgrades?

And how's the scaling gonna go specifically?(like who scaling to what)

 

[Lonkitt]

Here's how I currently see it (in light of some developments):

All the Spider-Men in their base were 8-C
Octavius could be High 8-C for overpowering Iron Spider and the base Spider-Men casually
Electro (Pre-Amp) could be At least 8-C for scaling to Giant Sandman
Giant Sandman is At least 8-C for being reasonably stronger than Raimi Peter and MCU Peter
Electro (Post-Amp) is 8-A due to the Arc Reactor, one shotting Ock, being stronger than TASM Peter's ever seen, and casually overpowering each base Spider-Man
Goblin should be 8-C
Lizard should be 8-C

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Another thing to consider: Iron Man did say that Cap outskills Peter quite a bit, but it's not as if that was taking into account all of the abilities the Tech Suit wasn't allowing him to utilize at the time.

I agree that Steve is more skilled than Peter, Bucky, and Sam, but just some food for thought

Well that's a bit obvious. Having skills and being a literal walking armory are two different things

 

[Lonkitt]

Yeah, exactly

My original point being though that Peter gets his skill downplayed a lot when really, it's more of a feat for Cap that he's said to be capable of outskilling Peter considerably

 

[KLOL506]

He does it without the Nanobots. The Nanobots are back with Peter, but it only really creates a new Spider Emblem so this isn't a case of Integrated Peter being High 8-C, the suit even lacks the bulletproof aspect of the Iron Spider

******* HELL

 

[Lonkitt]

Idk man, the writers just said "Ock is coming back and in a BIG way"

 

[KLOL506]

Goblin should be 8-C

He already is, he scales to Raimi Spider-Man already.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Yeah, exactly

My original point being though that Peter gets his skill downplayed a lot when really, it's more of a feat for Cap that he's said to capable of outskilling Peter considerably

Then again, it's only logical. He's a well-trained soldier who spent years fighting very skilled opponents

 

[Lonkitt]

He already is, he scales to Raimi Spider-Man already.

Of course. I just wanted to cover all bases for the fun of it

 

[Lonkitt]

Then again, it's only logical. He's a well-trained soldier who spent years fighting very skilled opponents

I mean yeah totally. He's honestly a bit of a skill beast for the MCU

 

[KLOL506]

Then again, it's only logical. He's a well-trained soldier who spent years fighting very skilled opponents

Talk about doing Buck dirty. Dude almost overpowered Cap before the latter figured out his identity and yet he gets pwn'd by a kid, metal arm included.

 

[Lonkitt]

Bucky really only "overpowered" Cap due to the fact that Steve held back. He even held back before that part and still defeated Bucky so it's consistent IMO

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Talk about doing Buck dirty. Dude almost overpowered Cap before the latter figured out his identity and yet he gets pwn'd by a kid, metal arm included.

The whole "He restrains himself now" stuff, that's about it. You could also say he was taken by surprise by Peter being strong enough to compete with the metal arm despite being a kid but yeah, they did him kind of dirty

 

[KLOL506]

Bucky really only "overpowered" Cap due to the fact that Steve held back. He even held back before that part and still defeated Bucky so it's consistent IMO

Ah shit, yeah, I completely forgot about Isaiah. He took out Buck's arm with a serum of lesser quality.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I wouldn't go that far considering he easily defeated Falcon and Winter Soldier.

Both of then are vastly worse than Cap. WS was only comparable when he wa sunder mind control and Falcon is just worse all around.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Agreed, Electro was treated as the main threat. So scaling him to 8-A was reasonable.

Also can anyone tell me who some of the Multiverse mfs trying tk break-in we're?

I only recognised Classic Rhino and Scorpion.

And also Venom being part of the Sinister6 who just couldn't be asked to take part is funny asf.

Also "Black Spider-Man".

 

[MidnightDawn1]

But that symbolise tease was great