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Son Goku fights the God of Thunder (12-16-0).
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Exactly lol. Ki acts as a barrier and protects them from anything below their durability.
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No, I've never seen or heard of that happening AFAIK.Omegas03 said:
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Most of Thor's points have been debunked already.
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There's still the Thermo-blast
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I mean that's one avoidable win condition vs several unavoidable win conditions.Adem Warlock69 said:
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I don't wanna sound mean or disrespectful, but a lot of those "FRA" responses were a bit misguided and were already debunked repeatedly. But whatever.
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Well all of Goku's win-conditions are overwhelming Thor with his AP advantage
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That just give a win condition to Thor outside of his hax that he has little chance to use and given how Thor has to brace himself while using it, he would be wide open to a counter attack.Adem Warlock69 said:
So that still leave Goku winning 8 out 10, unless you think Thor can always land his thermo blast.
Also technicaly, one of Goku's win condition is Thor using warrior's madness because then Thor is litteraly wide open for Goku to use everything he has to it's full potential while Thor lose all of his advantages, even of the AP gap get smaller or negated.
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Factually incorrect. Reread the arguments again if you actually believe that lol. There's skill advantage in martial arts, Analytical prediction, reactive power level, Teleportation, and warp Kamehameha as well.Adem Warlock69 said:
Add a sizeable AP advantage to that and Goku comfortably wins more often than not.
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Jarnbjorn can cut through Celestial armor, which even adamantium can't cut...
Moot point, though. Thor FRA.
Moot point, though. Thor FRA.
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The reasons that were debunked multiple times already? Aight.
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Cal, Zark, and Schnee's reasons, none of which have been properly debunked in any conclusive manner.
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Zark's reason were about Thor's hax that everyone, even Thor's side agreed he wouldn't use the overwhelming majority of the time, let alone use them before thinking he need his warrior's madness, it's hardly a valid argument.A Stoned Orc said:
And Schnee's argument against Saiyan multipliers was dropped by him and his absorption argument was made invalid by the AP gap being highter than 3x, making Cal's absorption argument moot too (he dropped the warrior's madness argument by himself i think ?)
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Here's my thing.
Thor has fought teleporters before, and beat them.
Reactive Power Level means nothing, absorption closes any gaps. The fact that it's more than a 3x gap is also a non-issue. Glory was certainly more than 3x more powerful than Thor, able to damage him physically just with his laughter alone, but Thor was able to kill him by absorbing the entirety of Glory's power and throwing all of it back at him without much issue (at least concerning absorbing that amount of power).
Goku does not have a skill advantage to speak of. Thor has more experience, has fought people like Iron Fist who have insane skill feats easily on par with anything Goku's done.
Thor has fought teleporters before, and beat them.
Reactive Power Level means nothing, absorption closes any gaps. The fact that it's more than a 3x gap is also a non-issue. Glory was certainly more than 3x more powerful than Thor, able to damage him physically just with his laughter alone, but Thor was able to kill him by absorbing the entirety of Glory's power and throwing all of it back at him without much issue (at least concerning absorbing that amount of power).
Goku does not have a skill advantage to speak of. Thor has more experience, has fought people like Iron Fist who have insane skill feats easily on par with anything Goku's done.
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Years of experience is a meaningless argument, when Goku has surpassed people with hundreds of millions of years of experience.
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LmaoOmegas03 said:
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He hasn't, though? Name one. Beerus has only been a God of Destruction for 75 million years, and he spends so much of that time asleep that it's a moot-point.UchihaSlayer96 said:
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And Goku has fought weapons users and absorbers and beat them.A Stoned Orc said:
No, Absorption is accepted as barely closing a 3x gap, it doesn't close any gap and Glory was because of the Thermo-blast last time i checked.
I disagree, Goku has a massive skill advantage, Thor maybe has more experience but Goku routinely outskill and impressive beings who have been martial artist for millions of years and Iron Fist was noted to be vastly inferior to Thor in power when they fought but so vastly more skilled it was laughable so saying Iron Fist has skill on Goku's level kinda tell us Goku does have a skill advantage?
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I disagree, Goku has a massive skill advantage, Thor maybe has more experience but Goku routinely outskill and impressive beings who have been martial artist for millions of years and Iron Fist was noted to be vastly inferior to Thor in power when they fought but so vastly more skilled it was laughable so saying Iron Fist has skill on Goku's level kinda tell us Goku does have a skill advantage?Dragomer said:
@Dragomer Re-read Thor's profile, it's literally written into the Energy Absorption section of his Powers With Equipment. Thor absorbed the totality of Glory's power and threw it back at him.
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He has in UI. All in the span of a couple of years. Goku is a prodigy.
Also anything before the past 1000 years is unknown as far as Beerus is concerned.
Also anything before the past 1000 years is unknown as far as Beerus is concerned.
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@Dragomer Re-read Thor's profile, it's literally written into the Energy Absorption section of his Powers With Equipment. Thor absorbed the totality of Glory's power and threw it back at him.A Stoned Orc said:
It's under the absorption and redirection section, not the absorption section and it clearly mean the totality of the power Glory put into the attack, it's not like when he took energy to amp himself against Sentry.
Also even if we say Thor redirect Goku's kamehameha and does it fully, which is unlikely since it's both homing and Goku has experience against absorbers so he'd just stop the blast, Goku can just dodge, teleport or tank it with little to not damage (we saw Goku tank his own kamehameha multiple time) so that's hardly a win condition.
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Yeah, no. Until Thor creates an entirely new martial arts form to counter the Drunken Fist, a fairly well-known combat style that's whole purpose is to be hard to counter, Goku has the Skill Advantage. Age means JACK SHIT if the majority of Thor's time fighting is overpowering everything and very rarely actually fighting peers.
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Again, who has he directly outskilled in battle that has battle experience on Thor's level, especially without UI? He's a prodigy, not doubting that, but your previous statement seems inflated, considering no one that we know of besides Zen-O, Grand Priest, and the Angels have existed for more than 75 million years, and Goku still isn't angel-level yet.UchihaSlayer96 said:
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Dude UI itself is a martial arts skill that Beerus couldn't master, despite millions of years of training with Whis. This is what I'm saying.
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It's under the absorption and redirection section, not the absorption section and it clearly mean the totality of the power Glory put into the attack, it's not like when he took energy to amp himself against Sentry.
Also even if we say Thor redirect Goku's kamehameha and does it fully, which is unlikely since it's both homing and Goku has experience against absorbers so he'd just stop the blast, Goku can just dodge, teleport or tank it with little to not damage (we saw Goku tank his own kamehameha multiple time) so that's hardly a win condition.
Doesn't matter if it's homing, it'd just be drawn into Mjolnir if Thor absorbs it. Doesn't matter if he "stops the blast", if he fires it all, enough energy will be released for Thor to absorb, since energy continues to travel in DB after firing.
It's under the absorption and redirection section, not the absorption section and it clearly mean the totality of the power Glory put into the attack, it's not like when he took energy to amp himself against Sentry.
Also even if we say Thor redirect Goku's kamehameha and does it fully, which is unlikely since it's both homing and Goku has experience against absorbers so he'd just stop the blast, Goku can just dodge, teleport or tank it with little to not damage (we saw Goku tank his own kamehameha multiple time) so that's hardly a win condition.
Doesn't matter if it's homing, it'd just be drawn into Mjolnir if Thor absorbs it. Doesn't matter if he "stops the blast", if he fires it all, enough energy will be released for Thor to absorb, since energy continues to travel in DB after firing.
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No, it's widely agreed on the wiki that Iron Fist, Taskmaster, Black Panther, Captain America, and the other peak skill Marvel characters outskill anybody in Dragon Ball. Don't believe me, check the five different skill threads. If Thor has combat skill on their level (tho tbh I doubt it), then he wins in combat.
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Litteraly the entirety of the GoDs who have battle experience dwarfing Thor's, Beerus has been a GoD for hundreds of million of years and it's not like he was born a GoD, all of that time training under Whis, partly to reach UI, just reaching UI is a feat skill that made them stand in awe.A Stoned Orc said:
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Ultra Instinct is a martial arts technique that literally exists in real life, or at least the inspiration for Ultra Instinct.A Stoned Orc said:
You have provided NOTHING on why Thor is actually more skillful than Goku. Your argument is "Age! must mean skilled!" when Goku creates entirely new martial arts styles that counters masters of long-established martial arts, on the fly.
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Achieving UI being a skill feat? UI was the biggest plot convenience in DB since the Ultra Divine Water.
The GoDs don't have combat experience, or at least crazy amounts of it. If Beerus is anything to go by, they spend most their time sleeping and the rest of it lazily blowing up anything in their way.
The GoDs don't have combat experience, or at least crazy amounts of it. If Beerus is anything to go by, they spend most their time sleeping and the rest of it lazily blowing up anything in their way.
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