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Grah outlier my beloathed.
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"Skipping isn't Stopping" Hit Time skip revision
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Idk if claiming it as a outlier really works. I mean I'm pretty sure it's said that hits time skip wouldn't work on Jiren anymore and Goku scales above Jiren so claiming it a outlier is like claiming that time skip would still work on both of them.
Put me in immeasurable speed goku.
Put me in immeasurable speed goku.
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Goku also literally told Hit in their Rematch that Time Skip wouldn't work on him anymore and Hit agreed, saying he would be stupid to try it again.
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Yea I forgor ts as well. I just can't see it being a outlier with how consistent it is.
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Something can happen multiple times, and even be consistent in the fact it happened, but still make zero sense and be contradicted by literally everything else ever.
Take Frieza having a chunk of his skull blown by Namek blowing up as an inverse, ISL would make it so a like 6-A blast. They recognize this happened, it's mentioned multiple times, does that make Frieza 6-A?
No, because everything else shows otherwise, or take Goku and his funny meme 40 tons and Vegeta's 1000 tons cap, or Dr Brief going holy shit dude you'd weigh like uh 20 tons man to Vegeta in gravity, these happened, they recognize they happen, they mention it a few times even in regards to funny robot man, gravity training and so on, does that mean DBZ to Super caps at Class K?
A thing can happen, and be mentioned it happened and acknowledged and still be inconsistent in the grand scheme of things.
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Let the record show I’m against Immeasurable Speed Goku, by the way. I’m only adding clarifying information.
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We got Goku inmensurable speed before GTA 6
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No you got a immeasurable speed feat from GokuWe got Goku inmensurable speed before GTA 6
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I did not understand this part.
Doesn't DBZ have an unknown LS exactly for all this?
Even the Class M of vegeta (mango) is a feat after the 1000 tons thing.
While in the anime, there's that M class at the beginning, and I don't think there's another low LS demonstration moment (like the examples you gave)
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Different discussion
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My funny money vote is on option 1, because 99.99% of immeasurable speed feats are outliers anyway
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The unwanted truth
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It's unknown because cope and lads lazy, ive skimmed it recently and have picked out a good two dozen ls feats ill be calcing
eventually
unfortunately, I, too, am lazy
Yes, and yet it implies anything pre U6 SSJ Vegeta is sub 1k, which is ****** up.
The anime, in super is less messed up, but the Z manga and super manga are just straight cooked with random bits like that.
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I didn’t see the option revision, so I’ll revise my answer. Specifically, to “Immeasurable Speed, but Outlier.” Since it’s very clearly one based on all available information. Though, if Immeasurable Speed is accepted, I do think we’d need to upgrade Hit’s Timeskip, because it eventually caught KKx10 Goku after it grew in battle. Though, Goku grew past that based on their Rematch.
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It's literally DBZ wtf
My point is, hey, it can be acknowledged and talked about and even happen multiple times, that doesn't make it not an outlier if it's still just that feat and it's contradicted by everything else a dozen times over.
Your argument isn't even an argument, it's just saying Hit and Goku acknowledge it so it's consistent.
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and pssccarvalho counter all of them. Then someone else said that it was a different discussion. Which seems to line up with what I claimed either way.It's literally DBZ wtf
My point is, hey, it can be acknowledged and talked about and even happen multiple times, that doesn't make it not an outlier if it's still just that feat and it's contradicted by everything else a dozen times over.
Your argument isn't even an argument, it's just saying Hit and Goku acknowledge it so it's consistent.
Also my arguement timeskip not working on goku and jiren at all. Therfore this would entail immeasurable speed goku and jiren
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Ok can anyone give me a detailed info and explaination on why this would be an outlier
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It is indeed time skip, and it is indeed an immeasurable speed feat. But I'm torn apart about labeling this an outlier or not.
So...uh just put me in the "Immeasurable speed but oultier". Might change my mind if other arguments rises.
So...uh just put me in the "Immeasurable speed but oultier". Might change my mind if other arguments rises.
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That's the same thing, they could do it a dozen more times, it's still ultimately just the time skip feat, with countless contradictions.
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You know I was contemplating of making this comment or not. But, seeing as how we are currently accepting this as being an Immeasurable speed feat, I needed to ask this: Could this feat be applied to CC/SDBH Goku at least?
It's already accepted on here that Dragon Ball Super is canon to the CC timeline, and CC Goku already scales to Immeasurable speed, so even if it's an outlier for DBS Goku I think it'd still be useable as another Immeasurable speed feat for Heroes.
It's already accepted on here that Dragon Ball Super is canon to the CC timeline, and CC Goku already scales to Immeasurable speed, so even if it's an outlier for DBS Goku I think it'd still be useable as another Immeasurable speed feat for Heroes.
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Clarified later that this was a mistranslation and not in the orginal sub
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@omegabronic By the way I want to be put down as agreeing with option two please, but what do you think about what I said above in regards to applying the feat to Heroes for the reason I provided above?
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I will not touch heroes, too big of scope for this thread
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Question why would it be considered an outlier.
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Peoole, can you kindly not spam the thread asking the same question over and over again?
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Every instance that time passes in Dragon Ball Super, since If they have immerasuble speed, time would't have passed.
Like Top.
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If they were MFTL+, then they would be so fast that they would be able to punch sextillons of times, in a second, don't act like if ToP clock makes any sense (ToP doesn't make sense in general)
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Well, Top atleast have instance of them not going MFTL+ all the time, like when they stop to talk or to rest.
And like, the clock can bê moving relative to they speed.
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That's reasonable, I just figured that I'd ask anyway because even if the feat is an outlier for canon DB it wouldn't be for Heroes. But I'd rather not clog up the thread with things unrelated to it, if I have the time then I might do a CRT specifically applying it to SDBH Goku in the future
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I don't know why you are using the clock as evidence, Dragon ball always had problems showing time limit...Cough cough 5 MINUTES cough cough
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I don´t see why some of the MFTL+ characters couldn´t have done that
Also, the whole T.O.P point ins´t how much time they take to do the actions, but the fact that they take time to do them, something that an Immeasurable Speed character wouldn´t
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They wouldn't take jackshit of time, if the foddest of fodders could percieve a second as 10000 Aeons
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Time literally passed while they were fighting
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Sure, time passed, but if we are using vsbw stats for ToP clock, then that means that Goku and Jiren could have fought quantillons of times, before even a second passed
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