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SCP Foundation God-Tiers "Upgrade"

@Ryu

He can't scale to a non-canon storyline. The exact same way TLT would never be upgraded to High 1-A because of a non-canon Spider Man Christmas Special where he has High 1-A feats just because he is the judge of "all" Marvel multiverses.

Canonicity is a metafictional issue.
 
Except youre using an example that would never happen to try to discredit something that has actually happened and currently exists
 
1. It hasn't happened. Our regulations strictly forbid treating any character as transcendent over a real life issue

2. If my example happened, we wouldn't do something like that. There's no reason for us to do so with Swann, either. It's a double standard at best.
 
Kepekley23 said:
1. It hasn't happened. Our regulations strictly forbid treating any character as transcendent over a real life issue
2. If my example happened, we wouldn't do something like that. There's no reason for us to do so with Swann, either. It's a double standard at best.
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swann isn't transcendant over anything in real life unless someone writing for SCP is (joking, obviously)

if we treated author inserts like this, swann, TOAA and the writer wouldn't be valid anymore (it wouldn't affect much, but swann hasn't been shown to effectively omnipotent like the others have
 
I think Kepekley would see scaling Swann to those as relevant as scaling Swann to Marvel. Transcending over everything in the SCPverse according to Swann's storyline doesn't matter if those events happen outside of Swann's storyline.
 
In Marvel, all of the comics and stories, regardless of their canonicity to one another, are connected under one giant Marvel umbrella. And within it, The-One-Above-All is the supreme god of the entire Marvel umbrella. So logically, no character within Marvel is stronger than TOAA. And saying "well the comic that character was in is noncanon therefore he is stronger than TOAA" would be invalid since that story is still under TOAA's jurisdiction, even if it isn't canon to other stories.

If all SCP stories have a simular umbrella, and Swann is established to be the supreme god of the umbrella, then he should scale to any one from any story.

Of course if SCP stories hold entirely separate continuities all together and/or Swann is established not to be the supreme god in other stories (Like how DBS and GT are entirely separate and Zeno doesn't have dominion over GT), then sure don't treat Swann as the supreme god of these noncanon stories.
 
@Ryukama

Swann is treated as the verse's creator only in his own article and the tales based off of it.
 
SCP is never stated as having explicitly separate continuities, and I believe it's heavily implied or stated that they are all under one umbrella universe.

However, these statements are all established independently in their own storylines by independent authors.
 
Kepekley23 said:
@Ryukama

Swann is treated as the verse's creator only in his own article and the tales based off of it.
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There are many other articles written by separate creators which mention Swann as being supreme over the universe. I believe 3309 crosslinks to it, and the recent one about the theory of narrative causality is more explicit about it.
 
The problem is, SCP is not at all comparable to Marvel. Some SCPs have the Foundation and its concept being an illusion.

Swann scales to the other cano skips due to his nature, but we can't scale something that is non canon to him.
 
Agnaa said:
SCP is never stated as having explicitly separate continuities, and I believe it's heavily implied or stated that they are all under one umbrella universe.
However, these statements are all established independently in their own storylines by independent authors.
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i'm pretty sure the fact that every other SCP ends the world is proof alone of separate continuities
 
If he's explicitly stated to be the creator of all of SCP or an entire umbrella of different SCP stories, then he should scale. TOAA isn't treated as only being the supreme god of the comics he physically appears in, since he's explicitly the supreme god of all Marvel and the entire Marvel umbrella. It depends on what sources are actually given on Swann though. Which I think the onus would be on Weekly and others to find which suggests such a thing.
 
Kepekley23 said:
The problem is, SCP is not at all comparable to Marvel. Some SCPs have the Foundation and its concept being an illusion.
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Marvel has an Earth where Marvel Comics is a fictional story, and The Beyonders destroyed that Earth.
 
I can find you several SCPs that require Swann to be a non-factor. The one where the Foundation itself is nothing but an illusion in the mind of a teenager girl, for one.
 
@HI3 "The world" has varying meanings, and is often just a 2-C feat, or sometimes barely planet level; these statements often come from the perspective of the foundation on one planet in one universe.

The ones which are higher than that are still consistent with a combined continuity. Sometimes they destroy everything below where the higher gods dwell. Oftentimes everything is recreated after, leaving it unnoticeable.
 
This sounds like one of those crappy fanfics you can sometimes find, lol. The whole "The series is actually just in the mind of *Insert character here*".

Lol. Never thought about it that way.
 
The Everlasting said:
Kepekley23 said:
The one where the Foundation itself is nothing but an illusion in the mind of a teenager girl
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This sounds like one of those crappy fanfics you can sometimes find, lol. The whole "The series is actually just in the mind of *Insert character here*".
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he may be refering to 3002, but thats not the foundation in her mind, she is in their minds and can control them
 
@Ryukama

So, let me get this straight:

The Living Tribunal will be upgraded to High 1-A if a writer makes a non-canon story where he is portrayed as that strong?
 
The Living Tribunal is trickier since while he is the judge of the whole multiverse, there are numerous characters still stronger than him. So his position doesn't automatically make him above absolutely everyone. TOAA is explicitly the supreme god of all Marvel comics and storylines, with nobody being above him. So he'd automatically be above anyone from a Marvel story, regardless of it being "non-canon" to Earth 616.

If Swann is in a similar position like Weekly is claiming, then yes he should be scaled.
 
Doesn't matter. He is the judge of the whole multiverse. If a non-canon setting somehow scales to a character just because of their status, it'd scale to all of his manifestations.

You're committing the same mistake of forgetting that these characters don't transcend concepts such as canonicity.
 
The issue arises not with being canon to earth 616 or whatever sort of equivalent. The different variants of Earth are all Canon to greater marvel comics, but someone could go out and write the story of the one above all+1, and have it not be Canon to marvel as a whole. That wouldn't downgrade TOAA, for obvious reasons, even if it was a marvel writer doing that. SCP seems to have some stories that are accepted as general Canon, and as such stories that heavily contradict those or Swann aren't really viable sources of scaling for Swann.
 
The Living Tribunal's position does not automatically make him above everyone in all of Marvel.

TOAA's position does automatically make him above everyone in all of Marvel.

So in The Living Tribunal's case, if a High 1-A is established we can't immediately assume TLT is above them. But we can assume that TOAA is above that High 1-A, since again he is explicitly the supreme god of every story.

If Swann is the supreme god of every SCP story then he should be scaled to that. If he isn't, or if SCP doesn't have an umbrella of all their stories like Marvel does, then no scaling.
 
My example is if The Living Tribunal himself had a High 1-A feat on a bonus, non-canon storyline. His status is the judge of the whole multiverse, therefore if he is High 1-A on a specific storyline he'd be High 1-A on all of the storylines where his true form is shown.

Except nobody would accept that if it were to happen, due to it taking place on a non-canon story.
 
Your initial example was a Spiderman Christmas Special with another character performing the feat.

But yes if one of The Living Tribunal's M-Bodies, or The Living Tribunal himself, performed a High 1-A feat in a story that exists under the Marvel umbrella, then he should be upgraded. And I don't care if the rest of the site wouldn't accept that.

However a hypothetical with High 1-A TLT is irrelevant. Is Swann SCP's supreme god and does SCP have an umbrella? If one or both of these answers is no, then no scaling for Swann.
 
@Ryu Swann is the writer of the SCP articles as well as the one who deletes bad articles on the site, the answer to both is yes
 
The problem is, Kepekley/Dargoo are arguing for each author's works to be treated as their own canon, separate from everything else. Swann isn't stated to be the SCP's supreme god within every author's own individual canon, but in an extended/composite canon it is the supreme god.

SCP does have an umbrella in many author's individual canons, there's few to none individual canons where SCP doesn't have an umbrella, so in an extended/composite canon there is an umbrella.
 
If you wish to keep the standards (or lack thereof) as they are, be my guest. Then you'll have your High 1-A everyone soon when a new one-line tale states so and contradicts everything that came before it.
 
Kepekley23 said:
If you wish to keep the standards (or lack thereof) as they are, be my guest. Then you'll have your High 1-A everyone soon when a new one-line tale states so and contradicts everything that came before it.
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There are still standards.

SCP-173 doesn't scale to 682. Base 682 isn't 1-B for tanking a hit from Clef's Proposal in one of the newer termination log entries.

And there's not just our standards, the SCPWiki is very very weary of people creating OP characters for the sake of being OP. Even 3812 caught some flak because of that, as well as Kaktus' second proposal. But overall, they were both considered justifiably powerful. High 1-A every atom from a tale would get downvoted to oblivion, and if it wasn't, rejected for inconsistency.
 
Your appeal to consequence based on a complete hypothetical that will probably never happen doesn't change the fact that if SCP has an umbrella, and Swann is the supreme creator of said umbrella, then he scales. Now if not, then of course he shouldn't scale.
 
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