SCP Foundation God-Tiers "Upgrade"

[Kepekley23]

Swann didn't write anything. He isn't literally the SCP Foundation website. He is a fictional character, dude.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And yet its somehow treated as being too much reality-fiction interaction

The Writer is a fictional character as well

 

[Kepekley23]

DC is orders of magnitude above SCP in these aspects, specially consistency regarding their ratings.

Yes, The Writer is fictional. And he isn't transcendent over the metafictional concepts of Canonicity and Consistency. If the issue where he appeared was non canon, he wouldn't be Tier 0. He isn't real, therefore he is subject to real life discussions on his Tier.

 

[Wokistan]

The writer is also listed as among the '''exceptions''' for this idea of reality fiction interaction. Maybe not the best comparison to make.

 

[Kepekley23]

Swann is the same way.

If the tale is deemed non-canon, it is unusable. Swann is subject to the storyline's demands and imposed limits, just like every single thing in fiction.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Swann isnt subject to the storyline as its is transcendant of every storyline and narrative on the site due to writing them all

 

[Kepekley23]

He is subject to the storyline his creator imposed on him. He is a '''fictional character.'''

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Swann IS the creator. Cygnus blatantly showed that Swann is literally the person sitting behind the screen of their computer reading and writing about SCP

3309 blatantly showed that Swann is the one who deleted all rejected articles on the site

 

[Kepekley23]

No, he is not. Our regulations literally forbid that interpretation and call it silly hogwash. Swann is a fictional character written to appear like the reader on a specific storyline.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/cygnus

http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3309

I seriously urge you to read these two. If you respond after reading the first one its proof that Swann is the person behind the computer screen reading the article

 

[Wokistan]

Lots of characters are written like that, and they aren't really allowed to be considered as such here. Whether or not that's what swann is in universe is irrelevant, as it is contrary to the reality fiction interaction guidelines.

 

[Kepekley23]

I have read both of them in the past, 3309 literally two days ago. You're mixing reality with fiction, such an interpretation is forbidden by our regulations.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

3309 in particular has a guy erased from the narrative and then come back in a site discussion board wondering what the hell happened

 

[Kepekley23]

Also, I like that you're actually giving Kudos to people who disagree with you. Shows that you're mature.

 

[Kepekley23]

Your interpretation is not allowed by the regulations, however.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Then a discussion needs to be had about the regulations

 

[Kepekley23]

Already happened. Swann and The Writer were used as examples of fictional characters that are treated as transcendent, but aren't transcendent over REAL things, because they are, you know, fictional characters.

 

[Wokistan]

Have fun with that, I doubt you're gonna get far. The three exceptions are just that. Exceptions. Hussie isn't omnipotent, undertale is a game in verse as is and AD is the dev of just that game, and the writer was due to having no other viable option with regards to DC's cosmology.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah of course theyre not transcendant over real things, just the narratives

 

[Kepekley23]

Swann doesn't transcend the concept of Canonicity. He can't be scaled from a non-canon thing unless you make a composite blog.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Swann created every single narrative on the site, both canon and non-canon, so yes it would be scaled

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Swann doesn't transcend the concept of Canonicity. He can't be scaled from a non-canon thing unless you make a composite blog.

swann '>>>>>.....>>>>' narritives = canons

 

[Kepekley23]

Once again you miss the point.

Swann can not scale from a non-canon tidbit, because it is non-cano and he is bound by what his specific storyline allows.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Swann is the one entity in the verse that isnt bound by a storyline

Swann is above any and all storylines as it created all of them

 

[Kepekley23]

Swann is a fictional character. He is bound by his storyline.

Stop treating Swann as the literal fingers of the SCP writers. He is not. I have already linked you to several discussions about this issue.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Swann is a fictional character but its not bound by any storyline, its above them, hence why they tried to use Swann Avatars to manipulate the narratives to make them more coherent

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Swann is a fictional character. He is bound by his storyline.
Stop treating Swann as the literal fingers of the SCP writers. He is not. I have already linked you to several discussions about this issue.

if swann has a storyline, it's completely and utterly separate from anyothers due to his power, so the result is the sme

 

[Kepekley23]

All of that is part of a single storyline that can't get scaling from a non-canon tidbit

 

[WeeklyBattles]

How is it non-canon exactly? Explain

 

[Agnaa]

How is it non-canon exactly? Explain

That's assuming the other thread goes through, and treats SCPs as only canon within their own canon hubs or to other pieces written by the same author.

Meaning everything not written by Andrew Swann is non-canon to Swann's proposal.

 

[Kepekley23]

Not created by the original author, can not scale to Swann due to being a different interpretation, has no business scaling to anyone until otherwise proven...

Also what Agnaa said.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So the creator entity of the verse will end up being weaker than 90% of the verse

Makes sense

 

[Kepekley23]

Who said that? He can receive scaling from the series's decided canon.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Not created by the original author, can not scale to Swann due to being a different interpretation, has no business scaling to anyone until otherwise proven...
Also what Agnaa said.

 

[Agnaa]

I guess then we'd have to list multiple creators of the verse? Different creators for every author and for every canon hub?

 

[Kepekley23]

SCP articles/pages are still definitely good to go because Swann as a character transcends the actual canon.

We'll have to see what we'll do with the tales, tho.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I guess then we'd have to list multiple creators of the verse? Different creators for every author and for every canon hub?

No, clarify that stuff from different authors that isn't broadcasted as a collaboration/is part of a linear, coordinated narrative, shouldn't scale, and list keys off of the stories of canons they come from if necessary. The current profiles can be archeived as composites on a blog post.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

SCP articles/pages are still definitely good to go because Swann as a character transcends the actual canon.
We'll have to see what we'll do with the tales, tho.

according to you, discard them entirely, since, if we counted them, swann, the verses creator, would be weaker than basically every god-tier

 

[Ryukama]

Isn't Swann like the supreme deity of all SCP stories, regardless of their canonicity to one another? Kinda like how Earth-8861's comics aren't canon to Earth-616's, yet TOAA rules over both these and all Marvel comics.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Ryu Yes