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Scarlet Witch should be at least 2-A, in House of M

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Question: There has been many retcons to 'what' created the Chaos Wave: First it was Scarlet Witch, then stated it was something outside of all reality , Chtlon, then the Lifeforce Entity . My question is, was there ever any explicit evidence that points to someone creating the Chaos Wave ?

Also , relatively related question: Should Wiccan get a upgrade based on being the major force that empowered the Lifeforce Entity, in which that canon was stated to be the one that created the Chaos Wave (It's also the most recent retconning of the House of M incident) .

And about her tier, she is a Nexus Being, which their power supposedly when fully unleashed threatens all timelines. She was going to destroy all timelines in the older comics, without the Chaos Wave being involved, and defeated another Nexus Being who was going to do the same thing, and was empowered by millions of Nexus Beings . Can that help with determining her tier ?
 
I'm not sure about the first question, but Wiccan should also get an upgrade, I agree with you.

And regarding the second thing, if Nexus beings are capable of endangering all timelines, it's a 2-A feat, so it should be her tier.
 
Nice.Though most people aren't capable of unleashing that potential properly though (Scarlet Witch did though, and fought someone who did something similar) . You can argue that Phoenix was Jean's way of unleashing that power though... Considering the M'krann Crystal fiasco. BTW, Franklin was also stated to be a Nexus Being as well... Which is nice.

Stating that a Nexus Being, if they were used as a "Source of Power", can cause all futures to be destroyed . And then Immortus stated this specifically . They state this earlier in the comic as well. Keep in mind this is well before any Chaos Wave incidents.

Lore, was using Nexus Beings across all reality as a source of power to become a God. She already used tens of Thousaunds of them when entering Earth-616 to claim Wanda ... Yet She can beat her in a head on head fight (Scarlet Witch issue 1-4... Not sure which one, but it is either one of those. I'm looking through said comic right now. If you want to read it, here is the link ) . So, IF this were to be accepted, Base Wanda is essentially far above baseline 2-A ... even without the Chaos Wave.
 
I think that scan about Nexus Beings being able to destroy all future is proof enough to give Wanda 2-A tier, if not higher.
 
Anyone?

Here's the suggestion:

Scarlet Witch, Tier: Low 2-C, potentially 2-A, mainly because of the fact that she has been described as a danger to all timelines.

Wiccan, as Demiurge, Tier: High 1-B, mainly because he's been constantly shown as a higher dimensional entity, transcending all realities.
 
I dunno about Wiccan. Viewing the regular universe like comicbook panels would likely only make him 5-dimensional.
 
Gwenpool can only manipulate the narrative in very minor ways. Giving her such high ratings would severely contradict the level that she has been portrayed as.
 
We can discuss that later once we decide to make her profile. This is already turning way off-topic... I just wanted to mention a off-hand comment about it, not turn into a full-fledged conversation... No offense.

For now though... Who agrees with " At least Low 2-C , possibly 2-A " for Regular Wanda ? The feat I mentioned above was her first appearance in her own comic, so it definitely wasn't something out of nowhere. She stalemated a being empowered by million of Nexus Beings, who when merely one was used as a power source can end all timelines and futures. She also haa at least 3 other Tier 2 showings.
 
Antvasima said:
Gwenpool can only manipulate the narrative in very minor ways. Giving her such high ratings would severely contradict the level that she has been portrayed as.
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Gwenpool is only Tier 2 in a special key I think. Her regular self is very weak.
 
Yes. I would appreciate your help with determining an appropriate tier.
 
Soratoum

if u think this is ultra consistent with other feats i would give her 2-A for sure.

Omniverse in marvel guide book is collection of all Earts ( as universes ) like 616, 1610, 1,2, etc. ( + including all dimensions bound to every Earth. So HoM Wanda should be 2-A and likely High 1-B ( remember Dr strange couldn't fix this mess so needed with Rachel's help need of Phoenix force to do it. I rember PF also was able to harm Beyonders amped Dr Doom who traited as joke IG Black Panther. I am not marvel specialist but i think she should get 2-A status
 
This is an old thread. It should probably be locked.
 
Scarlet Witch likely should be upgraded though, and it would be redundant to close this thread only to make another about the same thing.
 
Well, you can ask PrinceOfTheMorning and Sandman31 to comment here if you wish.
 
Just here to remind people that Scarlett new abilities haven't been posted yet and we should also probably put expert hand to hand combat since she was train by Captain America him self and he was brutal and straight with her.

https://m.imgur.com/a/Rygqh

And judo throw Cable after being engaged in CQC

https://m.imgur.com/a/9IUvL

Also exchanged blows with empowered Phoenix force Hope Summers trained by cable https://m.imgur.com/a/Ydclu

Also she can infuse her punches with magic as shown in all of the above.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, you can ask PrinceOfTheMorning and Sandman31 to comment here if you wish.
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This seems like a good approach here.
 
Okay. You can remind him then.
 
What is the reasoning for 2-A?
 
Looking back through the thread, all the statements about her Chaos Wave affecting all existence, creation, the "omniverse," etc. I could probably find some more 2-A feats as well.
 
 
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