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Scarlet Witch should be at least 2-A, in House of M

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Now, this is all about the Chaos Wave, you might think, it wasn't controlled by Wanda, but I've found some scans that actually prove it being controlled by Wanda.

https://imgur.com/a/Zm4YKbx

Here it says "..who knows how she'll change everything this time", referring to her House of M warp.

And here are some other scans

https://imgur.com/a/OGkLtFi

Her Wave "swept throughout the Omniverse". This might be an omniversal feat, but they were probably refering to a multiverse, which would put Scarlet Witch on 2-A tier, at least.

https://imgur.com/a/YQT2whM

Her Wave was said to be a threat to all of Creation. This is also a 2-A feat, at least.

https://imgur.com/a/JR4DRFc

This scan showed us how her warp was destroying universes, which is 2-C feat, if not higher. In top right corner we can even see Galactus.

Even Marvel's Official Handbook have said that Scarlet Witch's Chaos Wave was her own power.

And since, Chthon, who gave Scarlet Witch her powers, was capable of harmingMulti-Eternity, who is High 1-B, it would make sense for Scarlet Witch to have this tier.

Also, interestingly enough, Marvel's official website lists Scarlet Witch's warp like it changedall of Marvel universe, making it multiversal, if not more.

In conclusion, I think she should have a separate tier from her base form, "House of M" or "with Chaos Wave" which lists her as at least in tier 2-A.
 
Eganergo said:
Maybe you ahould ask the staff to move this to the revision thread to be noticed at all.
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I'm sorry, I'm new to the website so I don't know how things work. How do I exactly do that?
 
@Antvasima Hi, can you move this to the revision thread so that it can be noticed, please?
 
I moved the thread.

Anyway, I think that we have argued about this earlier and concluded that the Witch's chaos wave was a chain reaction side effect of rewriting a single universe, not an actual multi-universal feat.

Also, Marvel is extremely inconsistent. We are definitely not rating Chthon as High 1-B.
 
Also, as far as I know, Hank Pym only encountered universal Eternity in that story.
 
Antvasima said:
I moved the thread.
Anyway, I think that we have argued about this earlier and concluded that the Witch's chaos wave was a chain reaction side effect of rewriting a single universe, not an actual multi-universal feat.

Also, Marvel is extremely inconsistent. We are definitely not rating Chthon as High 1-B.
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Cool.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Parallax also rated as more powerful via chain reaction in Zero Hour? By that logic, shouldn't Scarlet Witch be rated as such as well? Thank you, anyway.

Yeah, they sometimes make some things inconsistent.
 
I suppose that giving the Witch a higher rating via chain reaction might make sense, but I would need input from Sandman31 and Matthew Schroeder first.
 
So would her rating be like "At least Low 2-C. High 1-B with Chaos Wave"? or something else?

And also I agree with what Cal said, wasnt expecting Matthew to say High 1-B.
 
Woah, I didn't see that coming either. Just like Quicksilver. R.I.P.

High 1-B would be fine with me, although nobody cares about my opinion lol.
 
There's literally a line about how the Chaos Wave was going to collapse every spatial and temporal dimension in the omniverse into nothing.
 
When you realise you gotta reread House of M kek.

Anyway Matthew do you agree with the rating I said suggested or are you thinking of something else?

"At least Low 2-C. High 1-B with Chaos Wave"
 
So, "Low 2-C, High 1-B via chain reaction"?
 
Okay. Should we close this thread in the meantime?
 
The Chaos Wave didn't came directly from Wanda. It came from Wanda's tampering with 616 which opened a rift in space and time and is where the Chaos Wave entered, even if the wave could be High 1-B I don't think we should SW to it.
 
I may be wrong but if she can cause it(even if only by tambering) shouldnt she at least be higher then Low 2-C?
 
About the scarlet witch affecting Creation/omniverse thing

The Chaos Wave that affected all of creation wasnt created by Wanda, when Scarlet Witch replaced 616 with the House of M reality, she accidentally tore open a rift in time and space and unleashed a wave of chaotic temporal energies that slammed into countless alternate realities, breaking down the barriers between Universes and causing untold destruction wherever it went. The Chaos Wave eventually washed up onto The Starlight Citadel and crushed it killing Roma in the process who, despite all her power, was unable to hold it back.

So all that happened was SW accidentally tore open a rift in space time that unleashed the Chaos Wave but the Chaos wave itself wasnt created by wanda

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98212/1785485-14uncanny_x_men462_32.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98212/1785486-47uncanny_x_men465_12.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98212/1785487-47uncanny_x_men465_30.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98212/1785489-47uncanny_x_men465_36.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98212/1785490-47uncanny_x_men465_37.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98212/1785491-47uncanny_x_men465_38.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98212/1785492-47uncanny_x_men465_40.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98212/1785493-47uncanny_x_men465_42.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98212/1785494-47uncanny_x_men465_46.jpg

It's just like when the Next and Superman made a hole in space-time that let the Oblivion Shadow in, obviously they are not "metaversal" because of that

Also, Chthon was never mentioned in HoM, he doesnt have anything to do with SW HoM feats

Wanda was born with her own power. Chthon gave her his magical potential. This, however, was only to prepare himself for when he was going to take over earth. The plan was to use Wanda's body for its powers and abilities and then take over it later. So all Chthon did was give Wanda her potential for magic, marking her as a potential vessel for the future

Anyway, Chthon did later take over Wanda's body and power but at the end Chthon was stomped easily and fled because he was afraid of Demogorge The God-Eater
 
It was already retconned that "House of M" was all her power, and according to Red Skull she can do it again at any time (just give her an hour to meditate).
 
Yeah, House of M was all her power. It was retconned for like 5th time already.

As for the Chaos Wave, she is the one who controlled it actually. Look: https://imgur.com/a/Zm4YKbx

The narrator wondered how she'll change everything now, therefore it was controlled by Wanda.

Even if it wasn't, I don't think it would be fair for Parallax to have a higher tier, because he basically did the same thing. He is 2-C in Zero Hour, only because he got there via chain reaction.

In my opinion, it doesn't have to be as high as High 1-B, but I think it should be higher, maybe 2-B, or 2-A.
 
That scan specifically said that Wanda recreated 616 (And would recreate all of reality again), which is what I said above. SW tampered with 616, a rift opened then the Chaos Wave happened
 
Okay, but then, do you think she should have a higher rating, but with a note, for example, "2-A via chain reacton", or "2-A via Chaos Wave" or something like that? I wouldn't ask you this, if Parallax didn't have the same thing.
 
I guess that might be possible, but I'm pretty sure Wanda didnt intend for the Chaos Wave thing to happen while Parallax actually use prep and stuff
 
@Sandman31

Would you be willing to appropriately adjust the page?
 
It is an old idea from Amalgam Comics, and was more entertaining back then.
 
Actually, Parallax didn't use prep and those stuff, he was casually destroying DC Multiverse, via chain reaction. And he was insane, like Wanda was in House of M, so that's the reason they caused so much havoc. Neither of them wanted to destroy their multiverses, but in the end they did due to... well being insane.
 
What I mean was that Parallax was aware of what he was doing, he wants to recreate the universe while The Chaos Wave was just an unintended side effect of the House of M.
 
Oh, I guess you're right about that. He was aware of it, Wanda was not. But, they're still quite similar in terms of how they made that happen.
 
On top of that, Scarlet Witch needs some powers that are missing:

Air manipulation, Astral Projection, Biological Manopulation, Chaos Manipulation, Clairvoyance, Cosmic Awareness, Darkness Manipulation, Dimensional Travel, Duplication, Elemental Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Energy Projection, Existence Erasure, Flight, Hair Manipulation, Illusion Creation, Invisibility, Longevity, Matter Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Portal Creation, Power Bestowal, Power Nullification, Precognition, Superhuman speed, Telekinesis, Telepathy, Teleportation, Time Manipulation, Time Stomp, Time Travel.

Is there any chance these could be added?
 
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