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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Agnaa said:
As I said in my message, the idea behind another person making posts for a banned user, is that if they don't keep it clear of toxicity, they're at risk at getting banned as well.

I don't think a ban should be extended with how soon its been since it was applied, but I think @MorrisHatesYou should be warned.

Keep posting slurries of insults on behalf of other users, and it'll be treated as you posting them.
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I could've modified what he said, but I didn't read the whole thing, so that was my genuine mistake. I'll try to do better next time.
 
Antvasima said:
Vapourrrrr claims that the statistics changes he applied were accepted.

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There were a few things that were fair points, but the real issue is the way he handled them. The topic should have been focused one at a time rather than all at once. And he especially shouldn't have said he was doing so out of spite.
 
Arceus0x said:
are we sure this is an actual vandal? 2-C for the top tiers of the verse and a far higher don't seem that controversial to be blatant vandalism, this could be just some guy who's confused
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Tooru never did something worth to be even Tier 2 ever.
 
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Also, if we haven’t forgotten, using a alt account in order to effectively dodge a ban that was applied on the original account will only extend the ban duration.

I thinking permanent or at least a year or two since our rules regarding this is clear.

Edit: Also he give me the impression of being a troll or something.
 
3 months, imo, seems a bit generous given how apparently he did this after he got the ban.
Expectro2000xxx said:
Would like to point however that in the message @MorrisHatesYou posted for him he said things like this:

Bolded the specific insults (the same that warranted him the warning and ban) but the message in general retain the exact same level of hostility that got him baned. So, if indeed will be allowed for him rarely convey a message through other users then the post here need to at least be devoid of any insult and toxicity/hostility, otherwise there is no point in the ban if he can continue with the bad behaviour here.

Additionally this, please also ban him on site because the fact that he can freely jump in conversations when someone arise a doubt/point against calculations (more specifically TR as he already was forbidden from participate in them), and I'm saying this because when I asked a question to @DMUA about a problem I see he went and posted a message to brought unreleated calculations from other verses with completely different context to justify what the problem I see with the calc (something that DMUA himself pointed how those things are different to this calc).
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I say 4 months or more likely even higher to say the least.
 
What????

He created that account just so he could appeal the ban, presumably because he didn't know that wiki staff can be messaged on other wikis (like https://community.fandom.com ) for that sort of thing.

He hasn't done any activity with it. That extra account shouldn't be permabanned, and the ban duration on the main shouldn't be extended, as long as no actions on the wiki takes place on it.

ig we could consider the message left on Clout5560's wall a violation, maybe? Y'all should've mentioned that, instead of making it sound like any attempt to appeal a ban would instead extend the ban.
 
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Agnaa said:
What????

He created that account just so he could appeal the ban, presumably because he didn't know that wiki staff can be measured on other wikis (like https://community.fandom.com ) for that sort of thing.

He hasn't done any activity with it. That extra account shouldn't be permabanned, and the ban duration on the main shouldn't be extended, as long as no actions on the wiki takes place on it.

ig we could consider the message left on Clout5560's wall a violation, maybe? Y'all should've mentioned that, instead of making it sound like any attempt to appeal a ban would instead extend the ban.
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The issue I have here is I technically still see this as ban evasion as you are supposed to made that appeal on the main account and definitely not on the wiki for that matter.

Also creating the alt in question was completely unnecessary in my opinion as he could inform someone in the attempt to do ban appeal off site.

In any case, he still made multiple messages on the said alt to said the least.

Edit: I wouldn’t necessarily say no activity on the account as that is not entirely accurate per se.
 
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To be precise, the messages to Clout5560 make it a rule violation.

Most bans are done such that the main account can't post on message walls on the wiki. I don't know why you brought the forum up, since I don't think that alt has an account here.

I'd say ban that alt, and extend the ban to 2 months.
 
Agnaa said:
Most bans are done such that the main account can't post on message walls on the wiki. I don't know why you brought the forum up, since I don't think that alt has an account here.
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When I mean by informing someone, I meant he coulda inform someone off site regarding that ban appeal although it was already rejected to say the least.

I should word that better
 
I agree with Agnaa about that Vapourrrrr only created an alternate account in order to appeal his ban with it, since he did not know how to do so in any other way, and he did not try to hide who he is with it. I do not think that his main account needs to have its ban time extended for this reason alone.

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Crabwhale said:
I see.

Well, that's a permanent ban on his alt and an increased ban on his main. I'm thinking 3 months.
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Ngl, even though it was made to do a ban appeal. The fact he still contact you off site only proves the fact he could definitely done that off site instead of doing it on the wiki.

Also there is no way he shouldn’t know about other sites if he was chatting with the other users off site there.
 
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It's fine for someone to appeal their ban themselves, rather than sending it through a third party.

Ideally they'd do this on https://community.fandom.com

If they don't, and make an alt, that can work, but it absolutely shouldn't be used for other wiki activity, such as to send disparaging messages to the user who reported them.

HammerStrikes, stop harping on about them doing it off-site. You have brought it up repeatedly. As non-staff, you're just meant to bring up novel arguments, then leave for staff to evaluate them. Not to repeatedly insist on the importance of those arguments.
 
Agnaa said:
It's fine for someone to appeal their ban themselves, rather than sending it through a third party.

Ideally they'd do this on https://community.fandom.com

If they don't, and make an alt, that can work, but it absolutely shouldn't be used for other wiki activity, such as to send disparaging messages to the user who reported them.

HammerStrikes, stop harping on about them doing it off-site. You have brought it up repeatedly. As non-staff, you're just meant to bring up novel arguments, then leave for staff to evaluate them. Not to repeatedly insist on the importance of those arguments.
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Sorry, gotten caught up on the moment.

In any case, I don’t think the staff actually agree on how far the ban should actually go other than Antvasima agreeing with you on the ban appeal only.

Personally I don’t think it is 2 months as this situation seems to warranted more than just get extended to 2 months as while it is fine to making a alt account in a attempt to do ban appeal, it still does count as evading a ban in order to effectively get around that issue.

Edit: The other option was if he could ask how to do a ban appeal, but that is about it anyway
 
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Agnaa said:
If they don't, and make an alt, that can work, but it absolutely shouldn't be used for other wiki activity, such as to send disparaging messages to the user who reported them.
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He is not declining the fact he messaged him in his wall, but also, I think it is normal human reaction if someone was constantly trying unfairly to ban someone, and apparently this is reaction to it which in fact, was unwanted, but everyone reacts differently.
 
I just don't think that excuses comments like "You suck up to CGM'S just so you can build a case against me" and "get off my dck dude" but that's just my take.
 
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He is not declining the fact he messaged him in his wall, but also, I think it is normal human reaction if someone was constantly trying unfairly to ban someone, and apparently this is reaction to it which in fact, was unwanted, but everyone reacts differently.
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I don’t think the ban was being unfair to Vapour at all when the reports was him being consistently hostile to others in the threads linked above.

Also a topic ban was applied, not a 1 month ban initially so I find this reaction being rather unnecessary in my frank opinion on this matter.

From what I gather, he was insulting his fellow VS Battle users and making a alt account.
In additional to that, Agnaa mentioned it is fine to make a alt when our site rules made this perfectly clear it is the opposite as even making a sockpuppet will effectively extend the punishment
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Using sock-puppet handles is strongly forbidden, especially to circumvent blocks. Doing so will result in the block duration being greatly increased for all of the relevant accounts.
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ImmortalDread said:
I am not understanding why am I being quoted or even argued with.

You are talking with wrong person here. I am only presenting additional information.

The decision is not mines to make.
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Mostly the part on the normal reaction part as while that is understandable, it still make this situation worse.

Anyway, I forgot to link the site rules when Agnaa mentioned it was fine to make a alt when Fandom and our website make it clear that using a sockpuppet is subject to further consequences on the matter.


That is all I got for this matter as I will stop talking now.
 
Hammer, I'm aware of that rule, but the main issues caused by sockpuppets (bypassing bans to continue bad behaviour, using multiple accounts to give more support to one's own points, make bad behaviour harder to track by splitting those issues and warnings across multiple accounts) aren't invoked when creating one with an easily-identifiable name solely to appeal a ban. So I'd see less of an issue with it there.

This case does start to cross the line by those messages to Clout, so I'd support a modest ban extension to about 3-6 months (when stacked with his additional infraction of continuing to comment on TR calc blogs, despite the topic ban, after being banned on the forum for breaking that topic ban).
 
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