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Does he have the same keys of Eternity? M-Body, universal and multiversal, or he's straight up H1-A?
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Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2.5 of ?????)
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Abraxas is depicted as a purely multiversal entity in the storyline he appears in, so he is just flat High 1-A, yeah.
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Okay. That was just it. Thanks.
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I think Oblivion should get Transduality type 3 back and as well every character above him. Chaos king represents wuji which qualifies for type 3.
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Wuji as defined in Marvel's Encyclopedia of Gods is really nothing like the real life philosophical concept, so I don't think that's eligible for Type 3. That said: I suppose Type 3 is fine, yeah, since the In-Betweener is described as being both the union of dualities and as something that is excluded from all polarities, so the higher planes beyond the omniverse, at least, would fit the bill for Type 3.
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I see.
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As for this, I've decided to keep the universe-shaking feats in the 3-C end, seeing as the aim here should be changing the Herald tier profiles as little as possible. So this would involve just replacing "2-C at peak" with "High 3-A" at peak and inserting in the appropriate feats.
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To further support this, I would also like to mention that in Silver Surfer Volume #3, Galactus is shown as standing in opposition to the In-Betweener, lacking duality altogether.
Which could be used to grant type 3 transduality to Eternity or those whose standing is greater than Galactus and the In-Betweener, but that would be more for others to deliberate on.
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Yeah
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Since Part 2.5 is being put on the profiles:
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Actually, shouldn’t chaos king just be put into oblivions profile or something? Isn’t he just like an aspect of him or something?
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He is, but he is also his own distinct character.
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The Wuji was pretty clearly described as the Void preceding the Yin and the yang, that is pretty consistent with the description from what I've seen.
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IMO this would be really good to add on Uatu's profile as a support for him being High 1-B. Especially the "thousand planes of reality" part since while that could seem like Baseline 2-B it could also be interpreted as very high into 1-B.
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Yeah
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W oooo
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I mean, it's kind of a given.
A young Franklin stomped a Amped Mephisto in Hell (so Hell Amp plus another amp), and adult Franklin fought the Mad Celestials.
Heck, Doctor Doom even said that if he absorbed Young Franklin's power, he could "handle" the Celestials on his own.
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Will Part 3 also discuss Elder Gods like Gaea, Set (aka the Serpent), and Chthon?
I just want to know what tier they are.
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I just want to know what tier they are.
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I didn't mean adult Franklin, his was clear as per he's greater than galactus
I meant kid Franklin, so this means Mephisto himself will also scale to H1B
What of those who rule over splinter dimensions, beings like Nightmare, Tiboro, etc. I assume they would also be getting a H1B tier rating
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Well Doom said that Kid Franklin's power was enough to handle the Celestials so still High 1-B.
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Man, 2nd Existencial Seed waited like 6 or more years for this to happen.
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Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2.5 of ?????)
Well, ******* finally. As it stands, this thread will largely only discuss scaling and presentation of profiles, so, those who are not interested in this are free to ignore it. I'm also not terribly sure if this is controversial enough to warrant being moved to the Staff Discussion board, as...
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Thank you!Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2.5 of ?????)
Well, ******* finally. As it stands, this thread will largely only discuss scaling and presentation of profiles, so, those who are not interested in this are free to ignore it. I'm also not terribly sure if this is controversial enough to warrant being moved to the Staff Discussion board, as...vsbattles.com
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He should in all honesty be higher than High 1-B in some variations (specifically Heroes Reborn: The Return onwards):
- Early version of Franklin during the In-Betweener vs Galactus fight is directly stated as being able to stop them if he had his powers at the time.
- Despite the existence of several higher than High 1-B Mutants in the Continuity, Marvel has made it an ample point to consistently regard Franklin as the most powerful mutant in history/existence by a multitude of statements. History of the Marvel Universe confirms this as absolute fact, despite the person who said it (Galactus) knowing the entire history of the Marvel Universe.
- "Stated that his power might destroy the Multiverse" in the same set run of comics that details that the 'Multiverse' being Multi-Eternity. Context of the statement was when Roma was explaining to the Fantastic Four about Franklin, she was describing that Franklin had no real control over his powers and as a result he could end up destroying Everything without meaning to.
- Indirectly harms the above Eternity with his powers when reviving Galactus (Abraxas Run), even when it's shown that he wasn't even intending to do harm to said Eternity.
- (Abraxas Run) Fraknlin's Revived Galactus harms Abraxas despite his direct comparison to Eternity in that run, being something that is in-fact able to affect Multi-Eternity himself.
- (Abraxas Run) Franklin's powers are regarded as a "Threat to All There Is" by Uatu in the same comics as the above, specifically directly after Abraxas is defeated.
- Protected Heroes Reborn from Tiamut, who in the same weakened state was Reality Warping All of Creation. Same coninuity of comics as above , so All of Creation = Multiverse.
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He needed the Ultimate Nullifier to affect anything on a multiversal scale though, so I am not so sure. His greatest personal feats that I recall is him easily killing off lots of universal Galactus bodies one by one, so I do not think that we can give him a definitive rating.
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You seem to have a go-ahead, yes, but we also need to find ALL of the character and item pages that are affected by these revisions, so help from other members with checking through all of the listed pages in our Marvel Comics category page would be very appreciated.
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Also, the Hulk also has a High 3-A feat of causing earthquakes at an infinite number of planets at the same time when in the Crossroads Nexus... but Ironclad helped him out...
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Well, keep in mind that Abraxas' endgoal was really to return everything to the void, as he tells Roma, so what he really wanted was to erase Multi-Eternity entirely instead of just blowing up all the universes, so I don't think that detracts from a potential High 1-A rating. It's like how two characters can exist on the same level of existence but one may still be unable to completely obliterate the other with a punch or something.
I did a chunk of the characters thoroughout yesterday and the earlier parts of today. I'll make a list of the ones I checked out later when I have the time (Or you can check my contribution history, either works)You seem to have a go-ahead, yes, but we also need to find ALL of the character and item pages that are affected by these revisions, so help from other members with checking through all of the listed pages in our Marvel Comics category page would be very appreciated.
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Also, the Hulk also has a High 3-A feat of causing earthquakes at an infinite number of planets at the same time when in the Crossroads Nexus... but Ironclad helped him out...
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Well, we don't know if he had to blow up all of the universes one-by-one, so I still think that he should receive uncertain tier ratings.
Okay. Thank you for helping out.
Also, as I mentioned in your other thread, please keep an eye on "Dominion" (presumably Mother Righteous and "G.O.D.S.").
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Ultima can probably fix it.
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Iirc, His energy flowing through the man thing caused it to break apart because of it being too much for him to handle.
But the same Man-thing had Adam K'admon in him, but was fine. Considering man thing 1997, strange tales 1998 and day dreamers were all written by DeMattias, I think it implies Franklin > Adam K'admon, which should be H1A
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That sounds really wacky, but I guess I'll have to read Daydreamers myself to check. Onto the pile he goes I suppose.
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It is
It's only 3 issues, should be easy to blitz through
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Well, it's a bit more complicated than that when you take into account Spider-Man Annual 1999.
In t6hat, Man-Thing had the power of the Nexus, Fallen Stars, Adam Ka'dmon, Ellen , and the Staff of the Divine Creator in him simultaneously and was seemingly perfectly fine.
So it's more like:
Daydreamers Franklin >>>> Adam Ka'dmon.
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