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Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2.5 of ?????)
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So about this...
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Just to be clear, this "God" entity, the character that manifests this entire cosmology is undeniably Tier 0, right?
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No, TOAA is High 1-A as far I am aware, but may receive a higher rating if Al Ewing reveals a higher scale of the cosmology beyond The House of Ideas, which he strongly hinted at given that I think that his higher cosmology is based on Kabbalah, and he has not remotely reached the Atzmus yet as far as I am aware.
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Will probably be, if Ewing ever formally introduces it (And it's not exactly clear he will). As of now it's hardly even a character, though, so much as a very obliquely alluded thing.
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We can't treat it how we treated The Writer and the Oversoul and give it a profile for the time being?
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I wouldn't say so, no.
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I'm not gonna lie, G.O.D.S utterly terrifies me, but I'll keep an eye for whatever developments arise from it, yes, and those are sure to come in droves.
As for Abraxas: Well, he does have feats like merging Earths together with his arrival in the multiverse alone, and whatnot, so as said the point is that his ultimate aim was to destroy Eternity himself, and not simply the universes contained in him. So like I said I don't think him needing external means to accomplish this means he doesn't scale to Multi-Eternity. They're still pretty clearly on the same level of existence.
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Hey, 2 small things about the edits you made to Doom's profile:
1. Doom's tier still only goes up to 2-A when it should go up to High 1-B
2. His maximum prep speed should be Infinite instead of MFTL+ since he scales to Galactus and the Watchers.
Also, do you think God Emperor Doom should have the P&A of one of the Beyonders (including what the OG Beyonder and Cosmic Cube had)?
And do you think the above justification for Uatu regarding his fight with Aron reverberating across "the infinite rivers of reality" and "the thousand planes of reality" is a good supporting feat to add to his profile? It's from Fantastic Four #400.
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Hickman and Gillen teaming up to further completely corrupt and mutilate Marvel Comics' cosmology obviously doesn't bring me a lot of faith either, but you at least did your best (and an outstandingly great job) in making coherent sense of the old cosmology.
Speaking of which, would you be willing to create a regular "Marvel Comics Cosmology" page similar to the one we already have for DC Comics? It can potentially be updated with an extra section for the upcoming Hickman/Gillen cosmology later.
DC Comics Cosmology
This page is dedicated to outlining the distinctions between DC Comics's different cosmologies. To summarize, the DC Universe has three dominant cosmologies characterized primarily (but not exclusively) by their authors: Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, and Joshua Williamson; J.M...
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I still think that he was left so ambiguous that he should receive and "At least ..., likely ..." rating.
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Partially contributing to a High 3-A feat still makes you High 3-A. We can’t really divide that to a lower tier.
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I can attempt it if that's alright. I've read all three posts a couple of times to review themHickman and Gillen teaming up to further completely corrupt and mutilate Marvel Comics' cosmology obviously doesn't bring me a lot of faith either, but you at least did your best (and an outstandingly great job) in making coherent sense of the old cosmology.
Speaking of which, would you be willing to create a regular "Marvel Comics Cosmology" page similar to the one we already have for DC Comics? It can potentially be updated with an extra section for the upcoming Hickman/Gillen cosmology later.
DC Comics Cosmology
This page is dedicated to outlining the distinctions between DC Comics's different cosmologies. To summarize, the DC Universe has three dominant cosmologies characterized primarily (but not exclusively) by their authors: Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, and Joshua Williamson; J.M...
I still think that he was left so ambiguous that he should receive and "At least ..., likely ..." rating.
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I actually made a CRT about Nightmare this year, but the thing didn't went further. Now the guy can finally receive the thread he deserves.
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Yes, that approach seems best in that case.
It seems best if Ultima is involved, but you can help him out if he wishes.
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He would be 1-A them, he copied an M-Body of LT. Also, his profile should be immediatly revised, the profile is the same since 4 years ago or more.
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I assume Ultima’s gonna get to Protege eventually, there’s a lot of characters that still need to have their tiers changed.
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You seem to have a go-ahead, yes, but we also need to find ALL of the character and item pages that are affected by these revisions, so help from other members with checking through all of the listed pages in our Marvel Comics category page would be very appreciated.
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Also, the Hulk also has a High 3-A feat of causing earthquakes at an infinite number of planets at the same time when in the Crossroads Nexus... but Ironclad helped him out...
Would you mind unlocking Doom's profile just so I can correct these?
I'd like your opinion on these.
I can also get the scan for the Watcher statement if you want.
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Just wanted to quickly put these two profiles into awareness:
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I assume the Phoenixbuster is getting Low 1-A? Either way, the Thorbuster should get downgraded to High 3-A
Iron Man Armor Model 38
Heeding to Nova's warning of the Phoenix Force approaching the Earth, Iron Man began working on an armor designed with the aim to kill the cosmic force, and with the help of Giant-Man, created Model 38, the Phoenix-Buster. Tier: Low 1-A Name: Iron Man Armor Model 38, Phoenix-Buster Armor Origin...
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Iron Man Armor Model 22
Tony Stark built this special model specifically to fight against Thor. In response to Thor's rampage in Slokovia after a few deaths of his followers, Tony was asked by the U.S. government to convince the Thunder God to leave the country before things escalated further and for the worse. After...
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I assume the Phoenixbuster is getting Low 1-A? Either way, the Thorbuster should get downgraded to High 3-A
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I mean, at least for the Doom stuff, since he wasn't getting back at first and it's just 2 simple errors on his profile that need to be fixed, that's why I was just asking you.
I'd let you know when the revisions were done so that you could reclose the profile.
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He had a profile, I don't know what the hell happened to him to get nuke'd
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He did? Dude is a rather recent villain.
But weird that it got nuked since unlike, say, the Marquis of Death, he was in a good amount of issues in his story IIRC
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About Marquis, his profile got deleted?
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Also, about Absorbing Man, why his profile got deleted?
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This really isn’t a question for this thread, ask in the Marvel discussion thread.
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Yeah, though if it ever came back (which I doubt since he was only in like 6 issues), he'd be a High 1-B minimum and Low 1-A at maximum.
High 1-B since a Doom who, after being trained by the MoD himself for centuries, killed a Watcher still said that the MoD was vastly stronger than him.
Low 1-A since when he fought Good Clyde Wincham, he used Eternity in their fight of throwing entities at each other.
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I Just remembered we are forgeting about The Stranger. What about him? He is an abstract too.
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That wasn't Ultima, it was me. Fixed.
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Probably High 1-B.
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Btw thanks for making Doom's official tier High 1-B instead of 2-A, but his max prep speed scales to Galactus and Uatu so it should be changed from Massively FTL+ to Infinite.
Just a minor change.
Actually, maybe Doom's 1984 Beyonder Key should be merged with the rest of his absorption/prep, since Doom's other High 1-B feats are on that level (or exceed it, in the case of absorbing HoM Scarlet Witch's energy).
What do you think, @Antvasima and @Ultima_Reality?
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Hmm. Stranger's level is likely comparable to Galactus, right?
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