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In my opinion watchers are
Above or equal to skyfathers but below Galactus/celestials
Above or equal to skyfathers but below Galactus/celestials
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Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 1 of ???) (STAFF ONLY)
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In all fairness
The watchers did atleast have a very long war with the celestials (they lost) but still of note
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Moderately fed and starving Galactus are actually 2-C, not Odin level.
IIRC it was well-fed Galactus who Odin matched.
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That's the thing. They didn't have an actual war. They had a non-fighting conflict because The Watchers only observe and the Celestials don't act until necessary.
The only fighting that occurred was Exitar one-shotting The One after powering up for several millennia, and then prepping to eradicate the entire species.
The only fighting that occurred was Exitar one-shotting The One after powering up for several millennia, and then prepping to eradicate the entire species.
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And I'm arguing that this is wrong.
Even after missing out on a meal completely, Galactus still showed power on par with Sky Fathers, if not superior.
There are numerous examples like this, and statements that a hungry Galactus is Sky Father level.
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Yeah uatu probably has other stuff but typically he's portrayed as around or above skyfathers
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I feel like there’s way too many non-staff comments right now, and this discussion about the Watchers, Skyfathers, and where Galactus’ weaker states scale is derailing this thread.
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That's more or less what I've said in the OP, too. It's not like the Multiversal Abstracts are the true forms and the Universal Abstracts are M-Bodies. It's more that the Universal Abstracts manifest through M-Bodies in their interactions with the going-ons of the universe. We've never really seen their true selves, since by definition those have no shape or appearance anyway.
In this case, they're being taken as a minimum for how powerful genuine Cosmic Cubes are, at least when they mature into entities with full sentience. This is because the stories that feature them largely treat them as powerful relative to mortals but not particularly so in the broader Cosmic Hierarchy, so it wouldn't make sense to scale them to the Cosmic Cubes that were used to keep Eternity catatonic, or the time one was used to create the Celestial Engine for instance.
I've quite a lot of issues with how what we currently use to tier Galactus, as well, but at the moment I'd rather hold that off too, yes.
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My point was about genuine Cosmic Cubes, because the amount of Beyonder power that can be contained in them is highly variable.
The proof of this is the fact that certain AU versions of the Cubes and Cube Beings have the same origin, yet their power can be massively different.
It goes both ways, too. The A.I.M Cosmic Cube was just an x-element that could be contained by their forcefields.
The proof of this is the fact that certain AU versions of the Cubes and Cube Beings have the same origin, yet their power can be massively different.
It goes both ways, too. The A.I.M Cosmic Cube was just an x-element that could be contained by their forcefields.
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If all the things in the OP have been addressed, is it possible this thread be concluded?
As someone who has seen Part 2 in advace, I'm sure Ultima has answers to these questions lined up but we can't get there if we don't move on.
As someone who has seen Part 2 in advace, I'm sure Ultima has answers to these questions lined up but we can't get there if we don't move on.
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It depends on if @DontTalkDT is fine with the tiering justifications.
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Has he been actually active on this thread?
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Not in a while. Though I don't mind waiting. It's been only a week since his last post, and as per the rules, the deadline to respond on a thread is two weeks.
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So uh sorry to derail slightly but it's still techbically on topic: What happens if he doesn't reply in the next week ?
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Then we are to try and conclude the thread without him. Though, given that the staff seems to be largely in agreement, with a few neutrals, I suppose the 48 hour grace period would start, in this case.
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Actually, the grace period starts when the thread is made, not when it gets accepted, so you wouldn’t need to wait that long.
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Ballin'.
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Oh dang that'd mean we would be able to conclude it almost immediately at the end of next week.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What tier and is it a seperate key?
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Top-secret. Don't tell anyone.
Any further comments would most likely just derail this already-overextended thread, so, I'd rather not (And apply the same to everyone else)
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Can you use "multiverse" instead of "omniverse" in our wiki pages please? It helps to lessen a lot of visitor confusion, given that omniverse originally means all of fiction and reality combined. Al Ewing even admitted via Twitter that he used the word "omniverse" incorrectly.
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Um. Didn't he also say he uses the words Multiverse / Omniverse interchangeably but they mean the same thing ?
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He also said that he was a bad person for using omniverse incorrectly.
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If it's easier for you guys, all well and good. I wasn't aware he said that afterwards, so alright then, I guess Multiverse is better for logistic reasons.
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To the non-staff users watching this thread, if you’re really curious about where X character will scale, ask Ultima on their wall. Stop asking here because it’s just derailing this thread that’s already been derailed enough.
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I think it's less... confusion and more bad actors see the word and take it way too far and;
I actually agree, Multiverse is a better name for it, despite Marvel being friendlier with the term "Omniverse", it's one of those words that has baggage and better to avoid until the slate for it is wiped completely clear.
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By the way, can you go and receive some confirmation from DontTalk that he still plans to respond in here? I'm willing to wait if needed, but I'd rather not waste time, also, with the thread nearing its completion and all.Thank you for the support.
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Thanks, then.
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