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immortal characters = ee resistance?!
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Removing Multiple Dragon Ball Resistances
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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Anyone who is stronger than Goku can erase him with hakai. Meaning he doesn't actually resist anything. So it can be one of two things:
1. He only resisted hakai because of his ki cancelling the hakai ki erasure, which means Goku only survived it because he negated a ki technique with his own ki, meaning rather than having a resistance, he just nullified the effects of the ki like how someone can destroy a ki blast (powernull for goku too????) , which would give him a limited resistance to hakai and an explaination that because hakai is reliant on ki level, goku can survive by rising his ki level
2. Hakai's potency has nothing to do with AP which in that case Goku would not resist anything as he would've been erased by the attack had Beerus not saved him. Giving a resistance to a character that was almost erased by same hax seems wrong. Considering that if in that option no one proved that hax potency increases with AP, as hax is unrelated to AP, there's no reason for Goku to endure hakai from someone weak but get erased by the exact same ability coming from someone strong.
1. He only resisted hakai because of his ki cancelling the hakai ki erasure, which means Goku only survived it because he negated a ki technique with his own ki, meaning rather than having a resistance, he just nullified the effects of the ki like how someone can destroy a ki blast (
2. Hakai's potency has nothing to do with AP which in that case Goku would not resist anything as he would've been erased by the attack had Beerus not saved him. Giving a resistance to a character that was almost erased by same hax seems wrong. Considering that if in that option no one proved that hax potency increases with AP, as hax is unrelated to AP, there's no reason for Goku to endure hakai from someone weak but get erased by the exact same ability coming from someone strong.
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No, they don't have limited EE for that reasoning.
Quinces specifically have limited EE because it only works on a spiritual level/mental level and only affects evil entities like Hollows, it's completely different to what's being argued here.
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As someone pointed out before, the "weakness" logic makes the existence of UES, Verse Equalization and layers completely useless.
We treat these situations as properties of the energy systems rather than weaknesses of the ability.
I understand the opposition 's argument, but unless there are scans that state that this situation is generated by a weakness of the ability, it won't work. It may sound dumb but that's how it is.
We treat these situations as properties of the energy systems rather than weaknesses of the ability.
I understand the opposition 's argument, but unless there are scans that state that this situation is generated by a weakness of the ability, it won't work. It may sound dumb but that's how it is.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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As I said, Goku only resisted it because hakai works directly on ki and Goku resisted with his own ki.
Even with verse equalization, an EE hax that doesn't work on ki will simply erase Goku as the only reason hakai didn't erase him is because he could overpower it's ki erasure coming from DB's energy system with his own energy. And even then, verse equalization doesn't give you resistance you don't normally have
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Hakai isn't only tied to Ki though.
If Hakai is only able to erase things with Ki, how the **** did Sidra erase inanimate objects like buildings when he erased an entire city?
Regardless of that, Ki's a textbook example of UES so no, it'd be layered hax unless proven otherwise.
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Hakai can affect up to type 4 and 7 immortality ( It is mentioned that when a person is affected with hakai, he cannot go Resurrection and affects beings are killed, such as ghost and souls)
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Hakai is linked to the energy of destruction.
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Why the argue when almost any hax is usually bypassed by sheer AP in DB. IF you are strong enough to resist the "AP" of the hakai you wont get erased. The resistence to EE is a given in DBS and not just that.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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I didn't said Hakai only erases thing with ki. I said Goku only resisted hakai because his ki was able to overpower its destructive ki and that hakai is a ki based technique that can also erase stuff from existence
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I’m in agreement with the OP.
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Layered Hax
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I agree with the OP.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Not sure if it matters at this point, but I agree with the downgrades.
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This thread is really controversial, i believe its still pending, some votes are waiting to get added
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I can’t see the video linked, it says it’s provate
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Y’know what, it wouldn’t even matter if the vid is legit or not.
Having seen the argument I disagree with the OP lol.
Having seen the argument I disagree with the OP lol.
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Even the staff are split, seems like it's Bureaucrat time lol.
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I have arrived.
Vietthai96
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No one listed me as disagree??, bruhh, i was hakai from existence lol and debating as a non-existent guy
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Smh…
I can’t believe this is the thought process of those who agree with this.
So if this gets passed a character with ZERO Ki manipulation will resist Hakai because said character can simply punch harder? This is obviously just one of the benefits of Dragon Ball’s Ki manipulation and the opposition is simply grasping straws to hold up their flawed argument.
So far this thread has produced counter arguments against the OP and better interpretation of the OP. Yet many of us cling to flawed interpretations.
It’s Bureaucrat time.
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actually, there are several who debated on this nonsensical topic and he was refuting everyone here, and he just forgot to put how he disagreed
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Meaningless topic if crazy I think he posted this earlier because Gohan couldn't take a hakai my friend was commenting to me lol
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Nobody has given a solid reason why they should resist EE Hax when it completely ignores the reason why they can resist Hakai. The way they are beating Hakai is through greater amounts of Ki and Ki is not accepted to grant inherent Hax resistance.
If the way DB characters resist Hakai falls under verse equalization and other verses can do the same is a completely different argument.
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Stop repeating the same arguments, I don't know how many times you've been to dinner on this subject bro, if you use your head you'll realize how clueless you are when you talk about these things.
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Using verse ues to resist an ability doesn’t count as resistance? Disagree
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I just said the reason, didn’t I? You simply dismissed it when you said “Ki is not accepted to grant inherent Hax resistance”. Then why not make this a crt to get it accepted?
Ki is UES and is the basis of hax and resistances in Dragonball. If this is your main argument then the simple solution is for those with sufficient Ki mastery to resist EE hax. I don’t even think it’s Ki level because Goku resisted Sidra’s Hakai but even if it’s Ki level, it still grants resistance because it’s just an inherent property of Ki manipulation that allows it to overpower EE.
Claiming AP can overcome something Ki has is fallacious. A higher Ki mastery simply suggests a higher hax potency and resistance. This applies for not just Hakai, but for the others.
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Exactly. And Dragonball isn't the only verse that has resistance and hax potency scale with Ki level.
These people pretend like it is the only verse.
Example:
Bleach's RC and its resistance against it gets stronger with increasing AP
In Naruto mental hax like Genjutsu get stronger with stronger chakra ( Example: Sasuke putting all 9 tailed beast under a genjutsu with one look after Six pathes amp. I think in the novel it is even stated that MS Genjutsu is stronger due to transmitting more chakra.)
"B-But it's unfair it's d-double standards"
Yah no. It is consistent with how the wiki handles thing.
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" This is obviously just one of the benefits of Dragon Ball’s Ki manipulation and the opposition is simply grasping straws to hold up their flawed argument."
This isn't great reasoning for why greater amounts of Ki would grant them the ability to resist Hax. Ki isn't accepted to have natural Hax resistance in it. Every character in Dragon Ball should have EE resistance on their page if it was accepted as so.
EE Hax does not have a power level where they can just overpower it like they can with Hakai. When your putting Dragon Ball characters against characters that use EE Hax and are using verse equalization your giving DB characters the ability to resist a Hax that ignores Ki altogether or your giving the opponent's EE Hax the same weakness of Hakai. Hakai isn't as haxxed as people think it is.
Sidra's mastery > Toppo's mastery
Freiza > Sidra's Hakai Ball
Frieza < Toppo's Hakai Ball
Ki is all that matters.
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Someone's bad at tallies. It was obvious I disagreed too. And you're missing a few others on there too.
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I agree with this but it doesn't matter.
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SirAlex09
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Higher Ki doesn't give you resistances automatically but it provides you with the means of developing one.
Like when Vegeta could use his Ki to form a shield to resist Hakai,
Like when Vegito formed a barrier to resist Absorption that has worked on beings with higher AP before ,
Like when Golden Frieza used the improved Ki control of his True Golden Frieza Form to dominate Hakai Energy
Like when Ganos ( U4 fighter) used his improved Ki level to develop resistance against Master roshi's Illusions which is just basic hypnosis at best and completely unrelated to ki altogether.
Assuming that every ki unrelated ability in dragonball has a weakness against Ki takes more headcanon than tassuming Ki can provide someone with the means to develop resistances against several haxes but can't be taken for granted.
This CRT would only make sense with verses like One Piece where all hax abilities have the same origin ( devil fruit) and they have Haki as a common weakness ( which was also confirmed as such)
Like when Vegeta could use his Ki to form a shield to resist Hakai,
Like when Vegito formed a barrier to resist Absorption that has worked on beings with higher AP before ,
Like when Golden Frieza used the improved Ki control of his True Golden Frieza Form to dominate Hakai Energy
Like when Ganos ( U4 fighter) used his improved Ki level to develop resistance against Master roshi's Illusions which is just basic hypnosis at best and completely unrelated to ki altogether.
Assuming that every ki unrelated ability in dragonball has a weakness against Ki takes more headcanon than tassuming Ki can provide someone with the means to develop resistances against several haxes but can't be taken for granted.
This CRT would only make sense with verses like One Piece where all hax abilities have the same origin ( devil fruit) and they have Haki as a common weakness ( which was also confirmed as such)
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