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Dragon Ball Z: Planet Vegeta Destruction Potential Downgrade

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this is what they said on comic vine

Dragon ball has been destroying planets since the early times. But many don’t know how. The daizenshuu confirms dragon ball characters destroy planets via aiming towards its core with a technique, causing a chain reaction to make the planet explode by itself.
Literally not what it says, not only that, it explicitly confirms it's done via that attack's own power.
Ignoring that,


Fyi a moment prior, a weaker ki attack apparently also being able to planet bust.
This attack, an attack that SSJ1 Vegeta was able to nullify on the fly (ya need 2x ki to nullify another's ki). Evidently, not remotely either's peak even if this was a legit argument. Hell they aren't even shocked about how strong it was, theyre more like "wtf did he just try to planet bust".
and the apparent chain reaction feat was so fast that mfs did not even finish using IT, not a good sign.
Kid buu destroyed earth for example via aiming towards the core.
No? He just kinda popped it like an egg.
Given ya linked anime
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Since when was lava pink/white and suspiciously the same color as Kid Buu's ki?
Yes, this is the single time, ever, because he held back, which he also says, and even then it was a long process taking over 5 minutes.


The fact core busting, hell core disintegration, is apparently a long process that takes 5 minutes, tells me, if that shit happens in like 5 seconds, it ain't no chain reaction.
Literally not a core, especially if the core was destroyed 🗿
We see it visually all the time, like with namek its magma destroying the planet due to chain reaction
That's Toei, took over 5 minutes, and yes, Namek is the sole actual instance.
But hey, Toei?
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Etc.

The moment Toei is brought in as evidence, ya ****** up.

"the core was shot out"
"btw this is the core"

It literally can't be the core if it was voided out.
This one is just bad, not to mention, it being non-instant, doesn't mean it's some wild chain reaction. In fact, our planet standards assume as such, instant sub-second planet destruction usually ends up at 5-A because KE shit 🗿
All of this further proves they do it via chain reaction, not their own power.
Anyway here's Vegeta saying he'll blow earth to bits and clashing with a kamehameha from a Goku, who apparently, is 20x above his pre-training self, who is above the Goku who can launch moon-shattering kamehameha's, and then x3 🗿
Slap a 10k = planet busting statement too for good measure.

For example, early DB characters like og roshi destroyed the moon, yet king piccolo who scales above him is only small nuke level
This one is inconsistent yes, but it being inconsistent doesn't mean Roshi chain-reactioned. We know Roshi's attack didn't do shit involving a chain reaction, it straight up blew the moon up, like one panel.
"~Max Power
First Appearance: Chapter 51
People: Jacky Chun
Special Characteristics: A technique where he must fully use his muscles in order to fire it, due to the powerful destructive force it puts out. It has enough power to destroy the moon."

Also
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As mentioned in the Vegeta segment above.

Shit like that, if ya gonna cherry pick, don't be dishonest.
This adds more consistency that destroying stuff like planets=chain reaction and not=power
Yet the same places also say shit like "he can shatter the moon" or "enough force to blow away a planet".
BOZ Piccolo who destroyed the moon considered great ape gohan to have incredible destructive power by destroying hills
Ignoring DBZ legit falls under AP=/=DC due to ki fuckery, and the fact that was more like small mountains, and then the whole ass horizon, Piccolo immediately moon busts, with a basic ass ki attack, and destroys the moon on impact.
Fyi, he's above the "moon shattering" kamehameha at this point.
No AP excuses, he is impressed solely on destructive power, which further proves they don’t scale to the chain reaction at all
By that logic Piccolo wiping out a small continent and Goku face tanking it years before must have been a secret chain reaction, or Demon King Piccolo nuking cities, must be chain reaction, after all, those above what Gohan did that in terms of raw destruction yeah?
Same piccolo who is “moon level” was impressed by Nappa destructive power
Ki control dog,

Anyway here's Nappa casually making a moon sized explosion, which Vegeta doesnt even flinch at.


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He believed a meteor blew up the giant planet.
Evidently not a normal ass meteor if he thought it was strong enough to obliterate the massive 10g planet.
Damn right it'd kill everyone on it.
All this further shows them destroying stuff like planets doesn’t scale to their raw power at all. Recoome who is supposedly “planet level” can only wipe away the ground and only alter the shape of the planet
Ki control, and "the" planet in question is Namek, a planet demonstrably larger than even earth.

Also, where in that scan does it say "only"?

"This nuke can blow away a building!", yeah I bet it can.
It is talking about his destructive force, no AP excuses
Actually, it's talking about that specific ki technique which inherently has set destructive power in regards to AP because that's how ki works, so, yeah, actually, not only is it an excuse, it's one the verse itself establishes pretty much to handwave why they dont obliterate everything with every attack.
More proof that they don’t scale to planet busting, it's just a chain reaction and Their true power is far below it


Hmm.
7-C Vegeta by expanding all his energy? That definitely can't be due to it being hyper-concentrated and the fact an attack concentrated down to a baffling small 1km AoE being able to alter the planet is a testament to how absolutely wild the actual power it contained was.

This was sarcasm.
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Not even new for him either.
Why only affect? Because they don’t scale to planet busting
Damn
Anyway here's Frieza tanking a larger than earth explosion at only 50%
actually this image might roid the **** out of namek's size
Ssj3 gotenks can only POTENTIALLY destroy the earth which at this point shows they are actually reaching the true planet level tier
Notwithstanding an attack from someone trying to save the planet, being able to destroy it by accident says a lot.
Say it with me now, ki.

Also remember him?
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Please explain how one chain reaction's "blowing away the SS", given the 100 million kms of nothing?

Also here's a few more.

"Special Characteristics: The Genki-Dama is a technique that gathers the energy held by grass and trees, humans and animals, objects and the atmosphere, and then fires it. A Genki-Dama gathered from only Kaio Planet had the destructive power to smash a super-speed brick. From this, in the case of a Genki-Dama made on Earth, if you consider the Earth’s size plus the ability to make energy from the sun your ally, it would certainly have the force to destroy a planet."

Hmm.

"Special Characteristics: Super Vegeta’s super special attack. Concentrating all the ki in his body into both his hands, he fires it at his opponent. As he concentrates his ki, his hands enter a state of electrical discharge, distorting the surrounding atmosphere and drawing everything in. Its rate of energy depletion is high, and it can only be fired in a state surpassing the limits of Super Saiya-jin. It has enough force to easily destroy the Earth, and Vegeta is able to narrow its attack range by aiming it. This technique blew away the upper right portion of Cell’s body. (Daizenshuu 2, p.214)"

Hmm.

There's cherry picking, and then there's whatever this dude is doing.
To add more consistency when we reach DBS we meet beerus who FAR outscales everyone in dbz and can destroy half a planet by finger tapping meaning he did it with raw power not chain reaction which shows its consistency
He says, ignoring Goku and Beerus punching annihilated stars, planets, and ****, even a nebulae 🗿

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Please don't post Comicvine bullshit again.
 
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Can we actually wait for the OP to reply properly to the replies instead of all dog piling KT for 5 pages before he can even pump out a response?


The counters look like a good debunk to the OP but I'm going neutral till a response from the OP is made. I'd suggest chilling on the comments for the time being so the OP can actually make a counter argument against the debunks.
 
this is what they said on comic vine


Dragon ball has been destroying planets since the early times. But many don’t know how. The daizenshuu confirms dragon ball characters destroy planets via aiming towards its core with a technique, causing a chain reaction to make the planet explode by itself.

Kid buu destroyed earth for example via aiming towards the core. Frieza states this as well and says it's a chain reaction.

We even see it visually when planet vegeta is destroyed in dbz, we see a core.

We see it visually all the time, like with namek its magma destroying the planet due to chain reaction

We see the core in DBS as well when frieza destroys planet vegeta

We see lava from the earth’s core when frieza destroys earth in DBS

All of this further proves they do it via chain reaction, not their own power.

For example, early DB characters like og roshi destroyed the moon, yet king piccolo who scales above him is only small nuke level

This adds more consistency that destroying stuff like planets=chain reaction and not=power

BOZ Piccolo who destroyed the moon considered great ape gohan to have incredible destructive power by destroying hills

No AP excuses, he is impressed solely on destructive power, which further proves they don’t scale to the chain reaction at all

Same piccolo who is “moon level” was impressed by Nappa destructive power

In fact Raditz believed a meteor was capable of soloing the saiyan race

All this further shows them destroying stuff like planets doesn’t scale to their raw power at all. Recoome who is supposedly “planet level” can only wipe away the ground and only alter the shape of the planet

It is talking about his destructive force, no AP excuses

More proof that they don’t scale to planet busting, it's just a chain reaction and Their true power is far below it

If we skip to tiers later, aka buu saga, Vegeta self destruction has enough destructive power to only to affect the earth

Why only affect? Because they don’t scale to planet busting

Ssj3 gotenks can only POTENTIALLY destroy the earth which at this point shows they are actually reaching the true planet level tier

To add more consistency when we reach DBS we meet beerus who FAR outscales everyone in dbz and can destroy half a planet by finger tapping meaning he did it with raw power not chain reaction which shows its consistency
People might start arguing this, unironically…

I don't think everything listed there has merit to it but it does go to show that there's a lot more nuance in the DB series than in our treatment of it.

Most of it's not really relevant to this thread though.
It really doesn’t, damage. Please don’t.

It’s either stuff completely out of context or just a lack of basic foundational knowledge of powerscaling.

Blowing up the core of a planet, which then destroys the rest of the planet, if the core isn’t made of something ready to ignite is textbook 5-B
 
It really doesn’t, damage. Please don’t.

It’s either stuff completely out of context or just a lack of basic foundational knowledge of powerscaling.

Blowing up the core of a planet, which then destroys the rest of the planet, if the core isn’t made of something ready to ignite is textbook 5-B

I just said most of it is not relevant to this thread anyway so let's not continue discussing it.
 
I'm just going to have to make a word of mouth for what the infamous "Chain Reaction" really entails.

The only way for a planet busting or core busting feat to be a chain reaction is if we hypothetically assume that the planet's core is made of 99.99r% gasoline or something. More specifically a super condense type of gasoline with a combustible chemical energy density exceeding that of anti-matter no less. Which in turn leads to a spark igniting a gas tank situation.

And given that there's factually nothing in a planet's core that could so easily be ignited/combusted (And if there was, I'm sure the sheer magma temperature would have done that already just for being there) the fact that even blowing out the core still requires overcoming a planet's GBE in the first place, and if there's an explosion with a KE far exceeding the planet's GBE, it would have to come from the sheer force of the attack/energy that was injected into it from Frieza supernova; which every single joule of it is Frieza's very ki which means every joule of it is Frieza's raw AP.

I agree with Damage and LordGin that waiting 24-48 hours of the OP's initial post for KingTempest to at least comment or respond. But I am going to have to speak my mind and say I don't think there is anything to be said to refute the face value counter evidence. And I pretty hope he acknowledges his mistake, which even something like that is a reasonable thing to wait for. But either way, I think we can wait.
 
Just given the whole thread a read and I'm gonna have to agree with Chariot and DDM
Chain reaction arguments should be reserved for things like destroying a tower by making it collapse after knocking down a support pillar, not causing a whole planet to blow up by throwing a massive energy attack at it
 
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