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Dragon Ball Z: Planet Vegeta Destruction Potential Downgrade

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Sorry in advance. I wanted this to be a Q&A but

So I was digging through a bunch of sources trying to do research on the destruction of Planet Vegeta since the feat just got revised, and I was checking its validity until I came across something weird.

So in the calc we have, it calculates the destruction of Planet Vegeta from an explosion that forms from the inside. But then I looked deep into the feat in itself... and there was a problem.

Planet Vegeta wasn't blown up by Frieza's attack. It was destroyed by a chain reaction, ignited by Frieza's attack.

In the feat we have, it's calced from this scene, where Frieza's supernova smacked into the surface of Planet Vegeta. We see there are some cracks, and then after a certain amount of time, the planet blows up.

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From 1:26 to 1:31, we see a bunch of minor explosions happening that don't even scar the surface of the planet. Those explosions eventually increase in intensity and size. We also see cracks forming throughout the planet. At the beginning of 1:31, we see the peak of the chain reaction, the whole planet riddled with large cracks, and now much bigger explosions to where the light from them comprise large parts of the screen. At the end of 1:31 to 1:32, we see that the explosion starts from the center of the planet, making no sense if the Supernova blew up from 1 side and its explosion blew up the planet.

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This is a textbook chain reaction. The ball dug through the surface of the planet until it reached the center, then it blew up the core, which blew up the planet even further.

This isn't a canon only thing. Toei shares this view, as the planet blew up from a chain reaction when the technique dug super deep into the planet then blew up.

Arguments against the core producing damage above the GBE isn't really valid, as Frieza destroyed Namek's core and it took 5 minutes with a suppressed attack for it to blow up. You wanna tell me this is below the GBE of the planet?

Basically, the explosion of the planet doesn't appear to be solely from the explosion of Frieza's attack. Whatever it was, whether it was a core explosion or a chain reaction, it wasn't like Buu's that just blew up and engulfed the planet. This specifically looked like a chain reaction.

If this is valid, then either the direct damage calced from Frieza destroying the planet or Vegeta's galick gun will be the primary point of scaling.
 
KingTempest said:
This isn't a canon only thing. Toei shares this view, as the planet blew up from a chain reaction when the technique dug super deep into the planet then blew up.
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Disagree. That isn't a chain reaction.
"when the technique dug super deep into the planet then blew up."
Is simply just the attack, blowing up.

Toei also shows no real evidence for it being chain reaction.

The attack hits the planet, and instead of exploding, it sinks into the planet, everyone feels it, but it doesn't actually explode.


Afterward,


Numerous cracks, quakes and lava emerge from its impact, spreading out, from where it sank.

Then


The cracks light up, energy beams rip the planet apart, and then boom, planet is destroyed, this happens all within 5 seconds.

And then the planet explodes,


The planet's mass is launched and ejected violently in all directions.
With an expanding, glowing, orange sphere in the middle (sure can't be the core if that was destroyed).

This doesn't convey "chain reaction" to me, it just conveys "the attack ripped a hole through the planet, cracking it like an egg, expanded and then blew up"

Even worse, the definitely not the core, after the planet's whole mass has been flung away, does this.

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Idk about Super Broly, that one does look odd, but Toei is anything but a chain reaction.
Toei also consistently just shows it being the actual attack doing the work in like every version of the scene
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For example.
 
Is there any evidence that Planet Vegeta is an unstable planet in such a manner that an imbalance in energy input (as per Frieza’s attack) would create a chain reaction blowing up the planet? Cuz if not I find the logic of the OP to be flimsy at best.

Planet’s do not simply enter some kind of chain reaction by having their core destroyed. Especially, one that results in an outwards explosion. What would cause something like that to happen is an attack overcoming the planet’s GBE in order to push all that matter outwards, in effect blowing up the planet. Just because the explosion of the planet takes a while, and we see some eruptions occur beforehand doesn’t mean it’s indicative of a chain reaction. Frieza’s attack isn’t spawning in the middle of the planet, it’s pushing through first causing damage as it goes deeper before exploding. Furthermore, the explosion is not instantaneous, and it doesn’t need to be. I don’t think the RF movie supports your claim either as the same logic I present above can apply to that feat as well.

From what I’ve seen and given the posts in this thread so far, I’m inclined to disagree with the OP.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
This is borderline headcanon.
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Actually,
中心核を撃ち抜かれ、形を保てなくなった巨大な惑星が、ゆっくり ほう 崩 かい壊していく。やがてバラバラになった惑星の は破 へん片が、 爆発の せん閃 こう 光とともに飛び散るのを見届けると、フリーザは まん満 めん面に笑みを浮かべた。
"The enormous planet, whose core had been shot out and could no longer maintain its shape, slowly crumbled and broke apart. After watching the dismembered pieces of the planet scatter with the flash of the explosion, Frieza smiled broadly."
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The novelization explicitly clarifies that Planet Vegeta was destroyed after its core was "shot out" and could no longer maintain its form, causing the planet's self-destruction.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Actually,


The novelization explicitly clarifies that Planet Vegeta was destroyed after its core was "shot out" and the planet could no longer maintain its form.

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That proves nothing regarding a chain reaction. Destroying the core still requires overcoming the GBE. And Frieza's Ki detonating is still the very blast that scatters everything. Every bit of energy was still energy that Frieza injected and detonated.
 
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Nullflowerblush said:
Actually,

The novelization explicitly clarifies that Planet Vegeta was destroyed after its core was "shot out" and could no longer maintain its form, causing the planet's self-destruction.
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is the novel even canon.
The enormous planet, whose core had been shot out
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This tells us that the attack simply destroyed the core, note, it doesn't say the Supernova exploded yet, this does tell us his attack sank into the planet at least.
and could no longer maintain its shape, slowly crumbled and broke apart.
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This tells why it was cracking, which is in fact a byproduct of the destroyed core, so that much is true.
After watching the dismembered pieces of the planet scatter with the flash of the explosion, Frieza smiled broadly."
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This does not tell us if "the" explosion is from the attack, or the destroyed core (note, they say "the", singular, it's evidently not referring to the repeated mini ones).

This is a hell of a lot better than using Toei as evidence given half the time Toei straight up just has Supernova eat the planet flatout, like in LSSJ.
But it also doesn't tell us if the final explosion is from the core, or frieza's attack finally going off.


Is this the core/chain reaction? or is it simply his attack exploding after digging into the planet as seen in a few other iterations of this scene?

Now, Namek does exist, but there's one caveat that takes place there, and it's that Namek took ages to explode afterward, 5m, 7m in Toei. That doesn't seem right if after like 5 seconds Vegeta explodes in this scene for allegedly an identical reason? I dont feel like dying on the DBS hill given tat one is a lil fucky, but the proof ain't all that either.
 
Chariot190 said:
it's that Namek took ages to explode afterward
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Being that Planet Vegeta is described as "巨大な" (huge; gigantic; enormous) with ten-times the gravity of Earth and Namek, odds are that its mass experienced far greater stress, fracturing, shifting, and overall damage than Namek, which contributed to its near-instantaneous collapse.

Namek experienced a series of tectonic shifts resulting in large-scale earthquakes—exposing lava—and atmospheric erosion resulting in planet-wide thunderstorms before detonating, whereas Planet Vegeta experienced a series of explosions detonating across the surface from within and the crust itself cracking and crumbling in on itself.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Being that Planet Vegeta is described as "巨大な" (huge; gigantic; enormous) with ten-times the gravity of Earth and Namek, odds are that its mass experienced far greater stress, fracturing, shifting, and overall damage than Namek, which contributed to its near-instantaneous collapse.
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Yeah nah dog that ain't how it works, in fact, the opposite is true, it'd have more leftover mass and thus funny gravity memes due to it's initial higher mass, the very fact it has 10x gravity too, would, in turn, make it 10x as stable.

Like idk what the hell you're talking about lad but that's not only complete headcanon, it doesn't even make sense. In fact, you pointing that out makes it even weirder it randomly blew up so fast. It shouldve taken longer, not quicker.
Nullflowerblush said:
Namek experienced a series of tectonic shifts resulting in large-scale earthquakes—exposing lava—and atmospheric erosion resulting in planet-wide thunderstorms before detonating, whereas Planet Vegeta experienced a series of explosions detonating across the surface from within and the crust itself cracking and crumbling in on itself.
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This is nothing. My point was time, for all we know Vegeta had that shit too, or maybe it didn't, we don't get any on-planet shots quick enough after it crumbles so ultimately we can't say. But that doesn't matter, ignoring it 100% had lava and earthquakes given planetary fractures.

Explain why, without making assumptions and stuff up. As it stands the only corroborating piece of evidence, that being funny core stuff and destruction via natural integrity failure on namek, doesn't actually match with what we see. Like if the argument is funny core = boom, make damn sure they actually explicitly say that and it lines up with the only other time that ever happened. While you're at it, what's the giant glowing sphere in the detonation?
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
NGL, this wiki deserves to be made fun of across the internet. Sorry, but that's just how it is. Instead of progressing, it's regressing.
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Roshi wasn't even moon level before get real it's better in a lot of ways (except tier 1-0 stuff I guess but idc about that), it's more so the debating community as a whole that gets made fun of
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
I didn't know we were on ComicVine. Disagree FRA.
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this is what they said on comic vine


Dragon ball has been destroying planets since the early times. But many don’t know how. The daizenshuu confirms dragon ball characters destroy planets via aiming towards its core with a technique, causing a chain reaction to make the planet explode by itself.

Kid buu destroyed earth for example via aiming towards the core. Frieza states this as well and says it's a chain reaction.

We even see it visually when planet vegeta is destroyed in dbz, we see a core.

We see it visually all the time, like with namek its magma destroying the planet due to chain reaction

We see the core in DBS as well when frieza destroys planet vegeta

We see lava from the earth’s core when frieza destroys earth in DBS

All of this further proves they do it via chain reaction, not their own power.

For example, early DB characters like og roshi destroyed the moon, yet king piccolo who scales above him is only small nuke level

This adds more consistency that destroying stuff like planets=chain reaction and not=power

BOZ Piccolo who destroyed the moon considered great ape gohan to have incredible destructive power by destroying hills

No AP excuses, he is impressed solely on destructive power, which further proves they don’t scale to the chain reaction at all

Same piccolo who is “moon level” was impressed by Nappa destructive power

In fact Raditz believed a meteor was capable of soloing the saiyan race

All this further shows them destroying stuff like planets doesn’t scale to their raw power at all. Recoome who is supposedly “planet level” can only wipe away the ground and only alter the shape of the planet

It is talking about his destructive force, no AP excuses

More proof that they don’t scale to planet busting, it's just a chain reaction and Their true power is far below it

If we skip to tiers later, aka buu saga, Vegeta self destruction has enough destructive power to only to affect the earth

Why only affect? Because they don’t scale to planet busting

Ssj3 gotenks can only POTENTIALLY destroy the earth which at this point shows they are actually reaching the true planet level tier

To add more consistency when we reach DBS we meet beerus who FAR outscales everyone in dbz and can destroy half a planet by finger tapping meaning he did it with raw power not chain reaction which shows its consistency
 
Robo432343 said:
this is what they said on comic vine
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I don't think everything listed there has merit to it but it does go to show that there's a lot more nuance in the DB series than in our treatment of it.

Most of it's not really relevant to this thread though.
 
Robo432343 said:
this is what they said on comic vine


Dragon ball has been destroying planets since the early times. But many don’t know how. The daizenshuu confirms dragon ball characters destroy planets via aiming towards its core with a technique, causing a chain reaction to make the planet explode by itself.

Kid buu destroyed earth for example via aiming towards the core. Frieza states this as well and says it's a chain reaction.

We even see it visually when planet vegeta is destroyed in dbz, we see a core.

We see it visually all the time, like with namek its magma destroying the planet due to chain reaction

We see the core in DBS as well when frieza destroys planet vegeta

We see lava from the earth’s core when frieza destroys earth in DBS

All of this further proves they do it via chain reaction, not their own power.

For example, early DB characters like og roshi destroyed the moon, yet king piccolo who scales above him is only small nuke level

This adds more consistency that destroying stuff like planets=chain reaction and not=power

BOZ Piccolo who destroyed the moon considered great ape gohan to have incredible destructive power by destroying hills

No AP excuses, he is impressed solely on destructive power, which further proves they don’t scale to the chain reaction at all

Same piccolo who is “moon level” was impressed by Nappa destructive power

In fact Raditz believed a meteor was capable of soloing the saiyan race

All this further shows them destroying stuff like planets doesn’t scale to their raw power at all. Recoome who is supposedly “planet level” can only wipe away the ground and only alter the shape of the planet

It is talking about his destructive force, no AP excuses

More proof that they don’t scale to planet busting, it's just a chain reaction and Their true power is far below it

If we skip to tiers later, aka buu saga, Vegeta self destruction has enough destructive power to only to affect the earth

Why only affect? Because they don’t scale to planet busting

Ssj3 gotenks can only POTENTIALLY destroy the earth which at this point shows they are actually reaching the true planet level tier

To add more consistency when we reach DBS we meet beerus who FAR outscales everyone in dbz and can destroy half a planet by finger tapping meaning he did it with raw power not chain reaction which shows its consistency
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Same guy (or one with a very similar take) thinks Naruto scales to Multiversal for context. Yes, you bet I'm doing whataboutism because that needs to be shamed. Everyone has their own agenda.

Anyways, I agree with Chariot.
 
Robo432343 said:
this is what they said on comic vine


Dragon ball has been destroying planets since the early times. But many don’t know how. The daizenshuu confirms dragon ball characters destroy planets via aiming towards its core with a technique, causing a chain reaction to make the planet explode by itself.

Kid buu destroyed earth for example via aiming towards the core. Frieza states this as well and says it's a chain reaction.

We even see it visually when planet vegeta is destroyed in dbz, we see a core.

We see it visually all the time, like with namek its magma destroying the planet due to chain reaction

We see the core in DBS as well when frieza destroys planet vegeta

We see lava from the earth’s core when frieza destroys earth in DBS

All of this further proves they do it via chain reaction, not their own power.

For example, early DB characters like og roshi destroyed the moon, yet king piccolo who scales above him is only small nuke level

This adds more consistency that destroying stuff like planets=chain reaction and not=power

BOZ Piccolo who destroyed the moon considered great ape gohan to have incredible destructive power by destroying hills

No AP excuses, he is impressed solely on destructive power, which further proves they don’t scale to the chain reaction at all

Same piccolo who is “moon level” was impressed by Nappa destructive power

In fact Raditz believed a meteor was capable of soloing the saiyan race

All this further shows them destroying stuff like planets doesn’t scale to their raw power at all. Recoome who is supposedly “planet level” can only wipe away the ground and only alter the shape of the planet

It is talking about his destructive force, no AP excuses

More proof that they don’t scale to planet busting, it's just a chain reaction and Their true power is far below it

If we skip to tiers later, aka buu saga, Vegeta self destruction has enough destructive power to only to affect the earth

Why only affect? Because they don’t scale to planet busting

Ssj3 gotenks can only POTENTIALLY destroy the earth which at this point shows they are actually reaching the true planet level tier

To add more consistency when we reach DBS we meet beerus who FAR outscales everyone in dbz and can destroy half a planet by finger tapping meaning he did it with raw power not chain reaction which shows its consistency
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This is the funniest thing I've ever read.
 
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