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I agree, actually something like this shouldn't even be opened anymore, lolI mean Staff agreed on giving Dragonball a middle ground exception rule so it doesn't get downplayed. And three Staff member already disagreed. This can be closed
Who exactly?I mean Staff agreed on giving Dragonball a middle ground exception rule so it doesn't get downplayed. And three Staff member already disagreed. This can be closed
Gohan falls for GotenGohan still solo the verse anyway
The entire point of this is to prove they just resist Hakai because of it's weakness.Basic EE from another verse somehow bypassing people with a tangible resistance (by definition) is a massive assumption anyways. There's no proof they can.
*Hakaishin ToppoGohan still solo the verse anyway
Even Hakaishin Beerus stand 0 chance
Lol,hakai has no weakness to greater ki, stop with these paranoia there, until today the only weakness of hakai is causality type 1, which was circumvented by the ring that Black carriesThe entire point of this is to prove they just resist Hakai because of it's weakness.
It literally fails if the user is weaker than the target. This is the only reason Frieza was able to resist it, and why Goku was about to be erased by the exact same hakai ballLol,hakai has no weakness to greater ki, stop with these paranoia there, until today the only weakness of hakai is causality type 1, which was circumvented by the ring that Black carries
You have no proof of this, full hakai has never been bypassed by energy, only incomplete has been suffocated by greater kiIt literally fails if the user is weaker than the target. This is the only reason Frieza was able to resist it, and why Goku was about to be erased by the exact same hakai ball
I agree, there's no denying that! This topic should be closed without any sense, several people have already refuted this topic, it's enough to be a joke, kkI've already addressed how most of your argument doesn't make sense. You're still equating the definition of EE to some imaginary standard that only exists to you. Conveniently, the people that disagree are the same ones hand-waving the fact that Goku resisted being erased by an attack that erases on touch that's well over 50x his AP, and the fact Frieza had to exert himself to not get erased.
Like I said, you can disagree all you want, but then all these resistances just become supporting feats for power nullification.
Proof that his hakai is any different than a GoD? Same goes with Vegeta but that's manga only so I'll not mention it from now onYou have no proof of this, full hakai has never been bypassed by energy, only incomplete has been suffocated by greater ki
Stop this tantrum, toppo is an apprentice hakaishin, he didn't have full control over the hakai, just like Vegeta, and about Freeza and Goku withstanding such an attack is because of being a small fraction of the hakai
The hakai ball came from Sidra, who is a GoD, yet Frieza bypassed it by powering up, there, your argument falls apart nowTo date, no hakai of a God has been circumvented by ki, the only way to circumvent the hakai is to have type 1 casualty, otherwise no one.
Sure there is, because Goku didn't actually resist it, he would've been erased had Beerus not come. And had Frieza not powered up as well, he would've been erased too, so none of them actually resist it, meaning that's not a resistance featthere is no way to deny such resistance.
Most EE is Hax based. Not all EE can destroy souls without proof but all Hax based EE ignore AP. Hax is called Hax for a reason.I've already addressed how most of your argument doesn't make sense. You're still equating the definition of EE to some imaginary standard that only exists to you. Conveniently, the people that disagree are the same ones hand-waving the fact that Goku resisted being erased by an attack that erases on touch that's well over 50x his AP, and the fact Frieza had to exert himself to not get erased.
Like I said, you can disagree all you want, but then all these resistances just become supporting feats for power nullification.
There is no refuted argument, in the anime itself it is mentioned that it is only a fraction of the hakai, that is, you have not even seen the anime and you are commenting shit, lolProof that his hakai is any different than a GoD? Same goes with Vegeta but that's manga only so I'll not mention it from now on
The hakai ball came from Sidra, who is a GoD, yet Frieza bypassed it by powering up, there, your argument falls apart now
Sure there is, because Goku didn't actually resist it, he would've been erased had Beerus not come. And had Frieza not powered up as well, he would've been erased too, so none of them actually resist it, meaning that's not a resistance feat
You literally have nothing to refute so you answer with this. And no, the hakai ball is definitely hakai energy. Sidra just gave a fraction of his full power for thisThere is no refuted argument, in the anime itself it is mentioned that it is only a fraction of the hakai, that is, you have not even seen the anime and you are commenting shit, lol
Then if so they should only resist ki based EE, which is fine by me. They would still be erased by non ki based EE as it's ki that allows them to negate other ki based techniques such as the hakai ballI have a question, doesn't really matter all that much since even if the ability has an "AP" weakness, resisting Existence Erasure through AP would still be a resistance towards Existence Erasure, which would inherently allow you to resist Existence Erasure from other verses.
What exactly proves that just because Hax's within Dragonball can be negated through much more powerful Ki means it's being negated by the "AP" aspect of Ki? Ki is a supernatural energy source which induces a plethora of esoteric effects, the onus would be on you to prove when they reference Ki being able to nullify hax's they're specifically talking about the "AP" portion of Ki, not some other ability which his granted through Ki. Allowing people to resist Hax's of weaker characters.
Is that how power systems all across the wiki work?Then if so they should only resist ki based EE, which is fine by me. They would still be erased by non ki based EE as it's ki that allows them to negate other ki based techniques such as the hakai ball
You are interpreting things wrong, Frieza resisted hakai literally because of a concept that is linked to body and soul, ki is part of being, so there is a certain resistanceProof that his hakai is any different than a GoD? Same goes with Vegeta but that's manga only so I'll not mention it from now on
The hakai ball came from Sidra, who is a GoD, yet Frieza bypassed it by powering up, there, your argument falls apart now
Sure there is, because Goku didn't actually resist it, he would've been erased had Beerus not come. And had Frieza not powered up as well, he would've been erased too, so none of them actually resist it, meaning that's not a resistance feat
If DB resist it because ki give them resistance toward ki based techniques, then they'd only resist ki based technique (hakai is also not magic, which in DB is different than ki). For Naruto, if he resist a chakra based hax via his own chakra, then yeah it would work the same wayIs that how power systems all across the wiki work?
Do Naruto characters who resist hax only resist Chakra based versions of that hax? If so, then sure
No. He resisted it because he was able to overpower the hakai ball and prevent it from erasing him. That's all to itYou are interpreting things wrong, Frieza resisted hakai literally because of a concept that is linked to body and soul, ki is part of being, so there is a certain resistance
Goku didn't resist anything. He would've been erasedGoku tanked such energy in base form, he resisted for a short time, due to the essence of his existence, it is part of his body, so he still has merit to resist such a feat
No? you're making the assumption that Ki only negates/grants resistances towards Ki-based attacks, which isn't a provable claim from my knowledge of the series (could be wrong tho). It's a less assumptive claim to just say Existence Erasure resistance, regardless of the energy source, will allow you to resist Existence Erasure from another energy source since both abilities are functionally the same. When people gain resistance towards abilities they aren't gaining it through resisting the source of the ability, but rather its effect. Meaning unless the energy source is more abstract/conceptual comparative to another, they'd be able to resist each other's abilities, regardless of the difference in energy sources.Then if so they should only resist ki based EE, which is fine by me. They would still be erased by non ki based EE as it's ki that allows them to negate other ki based techniques such as the hakai ball
They haven't shown to be able to resist any non-ki based technique, as all of their feats comes from resisting a ki based technique due to negating them with their own ki. In fact, both the GP and Zeno can definitely erase any of them, and their erasure isn't ki basedNo? you're making the assumption that Ki only negates/grants resistances towards Ki-based attacks, which isn't a provable claim from my knowledge of the series (could be wrong tho)
So you aren't going to respond to the rest of my argument?, like you just cherry picked a portion of it while discarding the rest.They haven't shown to be able to resist any non-ki based technique, as all of their feats comes from resisting a ki based technique due to negating them with their own ki. In fact, both the GP and Zeno can definitely erase any of them, and their erasure isn't ki based
So we can't assume they'd also resist hax that doesn't relate to that when they specifically resisted a ki based erasure by powering their own ki
@Therefir also disagreedI just finished counting all the votes, the discussion is not over yet:
Agree: 12 (@Vizer04, @Kin201, @Gilad_Hyperstar, @StrymULTRA, @Lynieryz, @SummerBlue, @Shiraito983, @JustSomeWeirdo, @Damage3245, @Purgy, @Gohanblanco217 and @Kachon123)
Neutral: 1 (@thetechmaster36)
Disagree: 14 (@AguilaR202, @Stefano4444, @SirAlex09, @Maskofthedragon, @ArmBill, @Toby020, @Deceived3596, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Golden_Void, @Gogeta, @KLOL506, @TheGreatJedi13, @Guacamolefletcher and @Godernet)
I will show youQuando?
Grand Priest and Zeno don't use hakai. Their erasure was also specifically stated to be able to erase anyone. Zeno's method of erasure is also completely different than that of a GoD, with no ki involved there.I'll still respond to this though. You're again making assumptions which aren't actually provable concretely and get negated through equal interpretations, you're assuming that since Grand Priest and Zeno can erase beings with attacks which aren't Ki-based means Ki can only negate Ki-based techniques, which isn't inherently true since it can also just mean Grand Priest's and Zeno's Hakai are more layered comparative to Goku's resistances.