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Just double-checking, which beings do you mean?Like when Vegito formed a barrier to resist Absorption that has worked on beings with higher AP before ,
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Just double-checking, which beings do you mean?Like when Vegito formed a barrier to resist Absorption that has worked on beings with higher AP before ,
There are several haxes in Dragon Ball that work regardless of ki level or power such as:Just double-checking, which beings do you mean?
If you aren't clear on your preference, i won't count your vote. Anyway, i will add you to the disagree votes.Someone's bad at tallies. It was obvious I disagreed too. And you're missing a few others on there too.
If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were using underhanded tactics just to get your way.
Later in Super SSJ Future Trunks using his Ki to directly deflect the spitDabura's stone spit (Also possibly, but it seems like you can't resist that with ki)
Watagash is a parasiteWagatash's mind-hax
ok, we've heard this from you so many times and it's been refuted, my dear friend, let's use your dumb logic to nerf all hax and resistance, as certain characters only resist because of your energy, man, you don't know how stupid it is being the reason to remove resistance from the characters just because they used ki, which is a universal energy, literally comes from the body, no DB being resist without energy, the ki of Dragon Ball is like a limb for them to move, it doesn't make sense for you to want to use it to nerf, since it is a merit of the ki, nothing more, I'm Brazilian I'm shocked at how much shit was put here to remove resistances and nerf DB's hax, if we use that logic here not even the most powerful verses would resist such a hax on account of having That can handle nothing, Saint Seiya also uses this, I can quote a lot of verses that would be nerfed by stupid logic and a non-thinking head, do good for everyone, and disagree with that, that's how to deny every concept that Akira Toriyama made in Dragon Ball, there is no way Dragon Ball characters can resist without ki, taking the ki out of all DB characters they would be dead, you have an Any idea how absurd this is what you are talking about?There are several haxes in Dragon Ball that work regardless of ki level or power such as:
Ginyu's body swap
Possibly Guldo's time stop (as Krillin and Gohan were frozen despite being stronger)
Dabura's stone spit (Also possibly, but it seems like you can't resist that with ki)
Majin Buu's candy beam (except for Vegito who can still fight despite being turned into candy, and the story treats it as a special ability Vegito has)
Majin Buu's absorption (as when Super Buu absorbed Gohan he was weaker than him due to Gotenks defusing inside of him)
In Super there's the water that made Copy-Vegeta, and Wagatash's mind-hax
The manga also have some haxes from Moro that relies on magic rather than ki
Ginyu's Body Swap doesn't rely on Ki.ok, we've heard this from you so many times and it's been refuted, my dear friend, let's use your dumb logic to nerf all hax and resistance, as certain characters only resist because of your energy, man, you don't know how stupid it is being the reason to remove resistance from the characters just because they used ki, which is a universal energy, literally comes from the body, no DB being resist without energy, the ki of Dragon Ball is like a limb for them to move, it doesn't make sense for you to want to use it to nerf, since it is a merit of the ki, nothing more, I'm Brazilian I'm shocked at how much shit was put here to remove resistances and nerf DB's hax, if we use that logic here not even the most powerful verses would resist such a hax on account of having That can handle nothing, Saint Seiya also uses this, I can quote a lot of verses that would be nerfed by stupid logic and a non-thinking head, do good for everyone, and disagree with that, that's how to deny every concept that Akira Toriyama made in Dragon Ball, there is no way Dragon Ball characters can resist without ki, taking the ki out of all DB characters they would be dead, you have an Any idea how absurd this is what you are talking about?
Did you actually see the anime? Toppo is quoted that he cannot kill his enemies in the tournamentGinyu's Body Swap doesn't rely on Ki.
Guldo's Time Stop doesn't rely on Ki.
Dabura's Stone Spit doesn't rely on Ki.
Babidi's Mind Control doesn't rely on Ki.
Toppo can't erase Frieza but Beerus can. Frieza resisted Sidra's Hakai by powering up (explicitly said by Frieza himself).
Hakai definitely relies on Ki to work.
Man, you only did CRT because Gohan can't handle a hakai, for God's sake, stop it and be rationalGinyu's Body Swap doesn't rely on Ki.
Guldo's Time Stop doesn't rely on Ki.
Dabura's Stone Spit doesn't rely on Ki.
Babidi's Mind Control doesn't rely on Ki.
Toppo can't erase Frieza but Beerus can. Frieza resisted Sidra's Hakai by powering up (explicitly said by Frieza himself).
Hakai definitely relies on Ki to work.
Wow, your arguments are illogical lol, do us a favor and disagree with this too, for God's sake, this is literally a joke, I still think it is lolThat's true, sorry for forgeting that.
Curious that you ignored the rest of my argument.
Both Ginyu's and Guldo's abilities are derived from their ki, if I'm not mistaken, so them working regardless of their opponent being stronger doesn't benefit your point.Ginyu's Body Swap doesn't rely on Ki.
Guldo's Time Stop doesn't rely on Ki.
Dabura's Stone Spit doesn't rely on Ki.
Babidi's Mind Control doesn't rely on Ki.
Toppo can't erase Frieza but Beerus can. Frieza resisted Sidra's Hakai by powering up (explicitly said by Frieza himself).
Hakai definitely relies on Ki to work.
Guldo's is specifically an ability that expends a lot of ki in its use. Why would it do that if its not ki-based?Literally not true.
Gotenks SSJ3, Gohan, arguably South Kai and Grand Surpreme Kai. Gotenks and Gohan were certainly above Buu.Just double-checking, which beings do you mean?
Right, but none of them employed a Ki shield which is the only reason why Vegeto was able to avoid being absorbed.Gotenks SSJ3, Gohan, arguably South Kai and Grand Surpreme Kai. Gotenks and Gohan were certainly above Buu.
Dude, just stop with that hostility. Especially when the comment wasn't even about the argument. You just seems to target me and throw words with no regard to anything. Keep acting like this and I'll have to report you
Vegito did resist Buu's candy beam, though partiallyRight, but none of them employed a Ki shield which is the only reason why Vegeto was able to avoid being absorbed.
Indeed. I don't think this thread is for removing every single resistance though.Vegito did resist Buu's candy beam, though partially
It's not. It's removing specific resistances mentioned in the OPIndeed. I don't think this thread is for removing every single resistance though.
Toby, you're quoting the wrong person.I'm just speaking facts, I don't think I have to report it, since I never treated you badly and yes this topic really is pointless, it takes your patience away.
please forgive meToby, you're quoting the wrong person.
Which is why I said , AP doesn't automatically grant you a resistance . You need to be able to make use of it in one way or another.Right, but none of them employed a Ki shield which is the only reason why Vegeto was able to avoid being absorbed.
Nope you will be banished to the shadow realmplease forgive me
You don't need my forgiveness. You can easily just edit your comment and switch who you're quoting to the right person.please forgive me
I'm just talking about facts, I don't think I have to report it, since I've never treated you badly and yes this subject really doesn't make sense, this topic here takes your patience away from people, look at the absurdities you are citedDude, just stop with that hostility. Especially when the comment wasn't even about the argument. You just seems to target me and throw words with no regard to anything. Keep acting like this and I'll have to report you
" This is obviously just one of the benefits of Dragon Ball’s Ki manipulation and the opposition is simply grasping straws to hold up their flawed argument."
This isn't great reasoning for why greater amounts of Ki would grant them the ability to resist Hax. Ki isn't accepted to have natural Hax resistance in it. Every character in Dragon Ball should have EE resistance on their page if it was accepted as so.
EE Hax does not have a power level where they can just overpower it like they can with Hakai. When your putting Dragon Ball characters against characters that use EE Hax and using verse equalization your giving DB characters the ability to resist a Hax that ignores Ki altogether or your giving the opponent's EE Hax the same weakness of Hakai. Hakai isn't as haxxed as people think it is.
Sidra's mastery > Toppo's mastery
Freiza > Sidra's Hakai Ball
Frieza < Toppo's Hakai Ball
Ki is all that matters.
Indeed. I don't think this thread is for removing every single resistance though.
Exactly, if this is accepted they will want to do the same things with the other skills, and the argument for nerfing is a joke lolWith the sort of reasoning used against Hakai, he might as well do so.
The haxes not mentioned in the OP are obviously against. sus isn’t it.
Good boyIn short higher ki only means better resistance if the character knows how to use it to reinforce an existing resistance or develop a resistance in form of techniques like barriers like when Goku used that to shield himself from poison from Lavendar ( which Gohan didn't or couldn't do) or Vegito against absorption.
Obviously if you have higher ki you can reinforce your resistance much better but it doesn't mean you are resistant by default.
From the opposite perspective you can also reinforce a hax ability you possess with ki.
In conclusion the ap difference between A and b isn't the deciding factor whether a hax ability works or not. It's basically hax versus resistance and by how much they can translate their ki into reinforcing their hax ability and resistance respectively. And this is skill based.
Goku vs Broly and the god binding case is interesting in this regard. Goku's AP was higher
( I rewatched the fight. Broly powered up twice after the god binding scene. After the first they were equal and only after the second power up he started to overwhelm Goku)
Goku's AP was higher when paralysing broly. Then somewhow after powering up Broly was able to manipulate his Ki to reverse the godbinding with his own ki. It stunned Goku but he broke off fairly quickly and took Broly's full power punch without flinching.
Goku's AP was higher but in that instance Broly could translate his Ki into forming a better resistance than Goku could into forming a god binding. And this happened while Goku's AP was higher than Broly's. ( And when Broly tried to God bind Goku, the opposite became the case. Both formed a better resistance than their respective "hax")
There is no we in here, there is only you and a bunch of other downplayers that agree with that shit. 25 other people including me has clearly stated that they disagreed and it would be a full on resistance, not any of the minor/limited shit you put up. Let the bureaucrats decide.I think we can all agree on a middle-ground, maybe a Minor/Limited Resistance or something like that.
yea bro we're downplaying 100%, goku is above fiction and is boundless no capThere is no we in here, there is only you and a bunch of other downplayers that agree with that shit. 25 other people including me has clearly stated that they disagreed and it would be a full on resistance, not any of the minor/limited shit you put up. Let the bureaucrats decide.
lolyea bro we're downplaying 100%, goku is above fiction and is boundless no cap
Didn’t say shit about Goku being boundless, stop putting word into my mouth. The only thing I care about is Goku has EE resistance which he clearly demonstrated.yea bro we're downplaying 100%, goku is above fiction and is boundless no cap